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Fishfreighter 12-30-2010 09:51 AM

Actually, the law DOES cause unnecessary cancellations. At my airline if you're not off the ground in EWR 2+30 after you push, you go back to the gate even if you're next in line for takeoff. Flight cancelled.

Ottopilot 12-30-2010 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 922773)
One could say that the law was a result of the airlines lacking common sense. Had their been no over night on an RJ without a working toilet stories their would not have been a new law. Stupid airlines.

The RJ was not allowed a gate or to deplane. It was a TSA issue, not an airline issue. The terminal was "closed" for the night. No one wanted people in it.

Ottopilot 12-30-2010 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by 744driver (Post 922731)
Those "stupid passengers" are the ones paying your bills...please don't insult them by calling them stupid.

I treat my (the company's) customers with respect, not insults. Maybe you should too.

Sorry, they are stupid. They have not paid for any raise I've had since before 9/11. I "paid" for their tickets by taking paycuts to give them cheaper tickets. They still are not happy and want to fly on outsourced airlines to save a buck.

Fine, if they want to save a buck, then fly on Colgan to Buffalo.

Fine, if they don't want to be late three hours by air, then they can drive or walk. The airline will cancel before paying $27,000 per passenger.

It doesn't take much per ticket to get pilot pay where it should be, but the passengers want greyhound service in the air instead of a professional airline. I'll be happy to give them what they deserve. ;)

Fishfreighter 12-30-2010 12:54 PM

Otto,

As the old saying goes: "You get what you pay for." And as it was pointed out before the "Passenger Bill or Rights" is a perfect example of the Law of Unintended Consequences.

FDXLAG 12-30-2010 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 922852)
The RJ was not allowed a gate or to deplane. It was a TSA issue, not an airline issue. The terminal was "closed" for the night. No one wanted people in it.

I personally have been stuck in an RJ in Jackson MS for 4 hours. Here is a lady that claims 9 hours in Austin: Passengers Sue American, Saying “We Were Imprisoned Against Our Will”

Are you saying that they were all TSA's fault. Do you really want me to google the DTW NW flight that started this mess. Yes there are extenuating circumstances but yes airline have also made some very stupid choices when faced with delays.

I agree the regulation makes cancelations more likely but if I want to get off an airplane, that is just sitting on the ramp, after a reasonable amount of time, I should have that option.

USMCFLYR 12-30-2010 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Columbia (Post 922766)
The dozen family members and friends I spoke with who all had cancellations a) had never heard of the 3 hour rule and b) all were Generally happy with the action the airlines took well ahead of the massive storm, versus getting stuck at the airport. Yes, it's a stoopid rule, especially how it was ramrodded through by a vocal minority and the media. However I don't see passengers as stupid for buying the cheapest ticket they can find. Blame that on management trying to under cut one another in an effort to pad bonuses. Now paying $150 to check bags, that's ok as many travel with furniture.

I agree Columbia as I had wondered if the cancellations were in part due to those concerns voiced in the OP's posting of the article. When I was trying to explain to family and friends why we were stuck outside of Baltimore due to a weather cancellation before the snow had even started falling, I told them about the 3 hour rule and NONE of them had heard of it.

I also disagree with those who point the finger at the passengers as those responsible for low fares. The public will pay what it costs. There might be a few who chose otherwise, but people kept paying nearly $5.00 for gas too. I'll buy the same furniture from a different store if it is $25.00 cheaper or a shirt from one department store rather than another if there isn't a difference in quality, and I'm less likely to pay extra for a pricey brandname (think Pottery Barn on some goods) rather than the same thing, somewhere else - - and I'll bet that many complaining about the consumers on here do the same thing with products that don't affect their daily lives.
I was inconveinenced by the cancellations and it was hard to sit there and watch my few days of leave burned with a smattering of snow on the ground in my local area at the time - -but I understood (or at least tried too) the bigger picture. The airlines in this case seemed to have been put in a tighty Catch 22.

In any case - thanks to the crew that DID eventually get me home a few days later than planned (and landed in that really bad fog (1/8SM -DZ VV001) in Kansas City (and OKC for that matter) on the 29th). NICE JOB :)

USMCFLYR

detpilot 12-30-2010 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Ottopilot (Post 922852)
The RJ was not allowed a gate or to deplane. It was a TSA issue, not an airline issue. The terminal was "closed" for the night. No one wanted people in it.

I'd imagine in the days of the likes of Ernest Gann, etc, when pilots had the cojones to stand up for what was right, this wouldn't have occurred.

lakehouse 12-30-2010 02:12 PM

is this type situation like that RJ, what not just taxi to the gate and tell them open the door or your going to EVAC?

crewdawg 12-30-2010 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 922879)
I'd imagine in the days of the likes of Ernest Gann, etc, when pilots had the cojones to stand up for what was right, this wouldn't have occurred.

That was back in the day when Airline pilots were well respected and their word and Judgement was gospel. Now, if you make a decision that doesn't jive with what the TSA wants you would probably be fired, have federal marshals show up on your door step, be brought up on charges and be treated like a terrorist!

ExAF 12-31-2010 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 922872)
I agree the regulation makes cancelations more likely but if I want to get off an airplane, that is just sitting on the ramp, after a reasonable amount of time, I should have that option.

No you shouldn't...you'll sit there and LIKE it! :D (At least for up to 3 hours)


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