Way to ignore all the overwhelming evidence in this thread and elsewhere that:

1) the data being touted by NOAA and NASA are grossly manipulated to "prove" what the fear-mongering leftists spew

2) that the Obama administration has politicized both NOAA and NASA to support it's political agenda in service to #1 above (in the same way it used the IRS in 2010-2012 before it was caught RED-HANDED)...all of which is FACT.

Go have another glass of manipulated, fear-mongering kool-aid.

Thanks.

No no it doesn't

Sorry, but man-made global climate change is as close to scientific certainty as is possible. This thread is convincing evidence that among true believers that no amount of evidence is sufficient. WADR I will go with scientists and experts over the likes of Breitbart and those on big oil's payroll.

The scientific evidence proves that it's not possible for the global warming to be man made.

Either way even it is was caused by humans (which it is not) there is not way we could alter the weather.

You can ban all the pickup trucks you want, or tax beef all you want (like sanders has said he will do) but none of that will work or cause any changes.

It's a swindle.

Of course, to disagree would result in a loss of funding.

What credentials do you possess to counter the overwhelming scientific data and scholarship? Oh ya, you're a pilot. LMAO.

New Video: Why Scientists Trust the Surface Thermometers More than Satellites | Climate Denial Crock of the Week

Yep, we should trust Exxon and their paid parrots. UFB. Do you still think smoking tobacco doesn't cause cancer?

LOL

Sure it is, when you use fudged statistics, manipulated data, and hockey sticks bent to show what you want it show in support of your socio-economic political agenda.

"consensus" = we don't want the gov't-funded studies gravy-train to stop, forcing us to get real jobs

And hey, nevermind "scientists" can't accurately predict with certainty what the Wx is going to be in 2 weeks, much less 2 decades or centuries from now.

Who is the more believable...a cautious skeptic pointing at the gaping holes in the theory or the true believer relying on the exact same "scientific consensus" that once held the earth was flat and the universe rotated around it?

We all know the answer to that.

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Nice transparent deflection. Pity it does absolutely nothing to address FDXLAG's comment in any way, shape, or form.

That's because you have no counter-argument. You know it's true.


Science has PROVEN smoking can cause cancer.

Science has NOT proven "global warming".

What part of these very simple sentences don't you understand, child?

https://www.azpm.org/p/crawler-stori...est-on-record/

https://weather.com/news/climate/new...ry-global-2016

The Wall Street Journal, Climate Change Denial, and the Galileo Gambit

(yawn)

Sorry, activist, your links don't undo the hundreds in this 5 year old thread demonstrating the various aspects of the on-going fraud behind your socio-economic political agenda. You want to re-hash debates already held on the previous pages after your agenda has been thoroughly exposed and your "movement" is on life-support. Forget it.

Sea ice visualization on March 24, 2016.
Image: NASA
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By Andrew Freedman
3 hours ago

Arctic sea ice hit its lowest annual maximum on record as of March 24, after one of the most unusually mild winters that many Arctic residents and longtime observers have ever seen. The sea ice maximum, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center, was even lower than the record level seen just last year, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado.

According to the NSIDC, the sea ice extent on March 24 was 5.607 million square miles, or 14.52 million square kilometers.

SEE ALSO: Unusually warm Arctic winter stuns scientists with record low ice extent for January

“I’ve never seen such a warm, crazy winter in the Arctic,” said NSIDC director Mark Serreze. “The heat was relentless.”

Below-average ice conditions were seen everywhere except in the Labrador Sea, Baffin Bay, and Hudson Bay, the NSIDC found.

To put the record low into perspective, consider that this was 431,000 square miles, or 1.12 million square kilometers below the 1981-2010 average of 6.04 million square miles, or 15.64 million square kilometers. That's about the size of the states of Texas, Arizona and Kansas combined.

It was just below the level reached in 2015, by about 5,000 square miles, or 13,000 square kilometers.

This year’s maximum occurred twelve days later than the 1981 to 2010 average date of March 12, although the date has varied dramatically throughout the satellite record.

Sea ice extent in 2015-16 compared to other recent record low years.

Image: NSIDC

Sea ice extent was particularly low in the Barents Sea, north of Scandinavia, with large below average anomalies in the Kara Sea as well.

According to the NSIDC, unusually mild air temperatures were the main factor that prevented the sea ice pack from expanding and locking in for the winter. Above average temperatures "plagued the Arctic all winter," the release said.

The temperature anomalies this winter were simply staggering. Air temperatures in the lower atmosphere from December through February (the three meteorological winter months) were above average everywhere in the Arctic, with the largest anomalies near the North Pole and from the Kara Sea toward Svalbard, Norway.

“I’ve never seen such a warm, crazy winter in the Arctic”

Some areas saw temperatures during the period average about 6 degrees Celsius, or 11 degrees Fahrenheit, above average.

Similar anomalies were seen in the first two weeks of March from the North Pole toward northern Greenland. An absurdly large temperature anomaly was seen during this period near Svalbard, which is the northernmost settled area in the world, with temperatures there up to 12 degrees Celsius, or 22 degrees Fahrenheit, above average for the time of year.

Global average surface temperature departures from the 1951-1980 average during February 2016.

Image: NASA GISS

In recent years, numerous studies have been published that show rapid Arctic warming may be altering weather patterns far from the Arctic Circle, including potentially altering the jet stream winds that steer storms across the U.S. and Europe.

While this is still an active area of research, it's becoming clearer that whatever happens in the Arctic likely does not remain safely locked away in that region.

The Arctic is in crisis.

“The Arctic is in crisis. Year by year, it’s slipping into a new state, and it’s hard to see how that won’t have an effect on weather throughout the Northern Hemisphere,” said Ted Scambos, NSIDC lead scientist, in a statement.

The air temperature at the North Pole even reached or possibly exceeded the freezing point at least twice during the January to February period as powerful ocean storms pulled mild air from the Atlantic northward into the high Arctic.

"These unusually warm conditions have no doubt played a role in the record low ice extent this winter," the NSIDC stated.

Globally, January and February were the two most unusually warm months since instrument records began in the late 19th century.

In addition to the temperatures, prevailing winds also contributed to the sea ice record, including southerly winds in the Kara and Barents seas that helped keep the ice edge north of its typical position.

A thin cover of nilas, consisting of many ice floes that have finger-rafted together along the floe edges, floats over the East Beaufort Sea.

Image: NASA/Operation Ice Bridge.

"This area has also seen an influx of warm Atlantic waters from the Norwegian Sea," NSIDC stated.

The record low sea ice maximum does not guarantee that sea ice will dwindle to a record low extent this summer, though. The summer melt season is also determined by prevailing weather patterns and when widespread sea ice surface melting commences.

If melting begins relatively early in the melt season, then the snow and ice surface will darken and absorb more incoming solar radiation, thereby speeding up the melt.

"With the likelihood that much of the Arctic cover is somewhat thinner due to the warm winter, early surface melting would favor reduced summer ice cover," the NSIDC stated.

In an illustration of feedback loops at work in the Arctic, the areas that had below average sea ice tended to be much milder and have more moisture in the air than areas that had a healthier amount of sea ice, the NSIDC found. This was the case near Svalbard, for example.

Global warming is driving Arctic sea ice into a steep decline, to the point where cruise lines are now selling tickets for voyages through the famed Northwest Passage, which had remained closed throughout recorded human history.

“It is likely that we're going to keep seeing smaller wintertime maximums in the future because in addition to a warmer atmosphere, the ocean has also warmed up," said Walt Meier, an ice researcher with NASA, in a statement. "That warmer ocean will not let the ice edge expand as far south as it used to,” Meier said.

Since the start of the satellite era in 1979, there has been a loss of 620,000 square miles of wintertime sea ice cover, which is about twice the size of Texas.
Topics: arctic, arctic sea ice record, Climate, sea ice, World

https://youtu.be/ferqrZi4WF4

Funny how the fear-mongers don't like to talk about nor ever mention the corresponding and massive INCREASE in Antartic sea ice, isn't it?

Oh lookie! Even NASA says so.

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum | NASA

I don't know, do you still think Solyndra was a good business investment for tax dollars? But yes I trust Exxon more than any politician or bureaucratic hack. Ultimately the private sector is held accountable, as your attempt to smear Exxon with the tobacco.

What is funny is how you apparently don't read the articles that you post.

"Studies show that globally, the decreases in Arctic sea ice far exceed the increases in Antarctic sea ice."

Or the links contained therein.

Global Sea Ice Diminishing, Despite Antarctic Gains

Say no more. UFB.

(yawn)

New Paper Shows Global Warming Hiatus Real After All - Climate Dispatch

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?

"Fyfe prefers the term slowdown over hiatus and adds the usual caveats lest he be taken away from the global warming cash cow: it in no way undermines "global warming theory.""

The most telling example of why the global warming alarmists motives are questionable (aside from the fact that they ignore the scientific method and all science that proves them wrong) are the "solutions" they attempt to push.

If co2 was the biggest threat (even though the amount that is pushed into the atmosphere is negligible) you would think that shutting down coal power plants and replacing them with clean, cheap and efficient nuclear power would be their number one goal. However, most "solutions" involve Bernie Sanders style carbon taxes on beef, air conditioners and banning trucks. While the real fix of nuclear power is the evil we dare not speak of.

The most striking example of this swindle is that the big polluter nation's such as China and India are exempt from such restrictions.

What this swindle has become is nothing more than socialism on a global scale. The rich nation's will pay the poor nation's under the lie of "climate Justice".

The U.S. is by far a bigger CO2 emitter than India on any basis and China on a per capita basis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_U...nge_Conference

China is also far ahead of the U.S. on green energy technology.

http://www.care2.com/causes/china-ma...te-change.html

Ah look a stooge. Can't refute my point so he changes the complete meaning of my point by creatively editing my words. You. Must be a Global Warmist.

The only point I can see you making is that you trust a corporation like Exxon more than you trust scientists who specialize in climatology. If that is the case then why waste time trying to convince you of the facts.

You got that right. Exxon and corporate America loves pawns like you.

FD, why do you trust Exxon more? Just curious.

Instead of saying "I don't believe in global warming", why can't people put forth their true fear - the taxation? That's the overwhelming evidence against the "truth" of global warming. Come up with a solution.

Just because we trust the scientific consensus doesn't mean that we think the answer is taxation.

<<<<Yawn>>>>

Because ultimately the private sector is accountable to the stockholders and the courts. The Government is accountable to no one. Big Tobacco ended up getting their asses kicked. What are the odds of Hillary getting indicted for doing far worse than General Petraeus?

How many bankers went to jail for the global economic crisis? How much of their ill-gotten gains were clawed back?

Accountable to the 'stockholders'? I hope you're kidding. Please read John Bogle's book, Battle for the Soul of Capitalism. Board of director slates are usually forwarded by management (not shareholders) and rubber stamped by the mutual funds that control 60% of the shares.

As for politicians there are these things called elections. We get the politicians we deserve.

How come Barney Frank didn't go to jail for the global economic crisis? More his fault than anyone else'. We can play this game all day. You know why business is so big, it has to be to buy the politicians.

Barney Frank? One of 435 Congressmen? You need to turn off Fox 'News' every once in a while. Please read up on Glass Steagall, the net capital rule, corporate 'personhood' and CDOs. You might get a clue.

You're getting warm. We have a government of, for and by the corporation

You mean the law the democrat Bill Clinton repealed?

We have bad mortgages because of bad laws. You confuse cause and effect. The bigger the government the bigger the corporation to deal with it. Your solution to global warming more government. How did that work out in Mother Russia. Oh wait they had bad commies our commies are good commies.

Sweetie pie I haven't seen Fox news in two years. Once again you are projecting. What is the largest corporation in the world? Uncle Sam

No, it is you who simply don't understand how the system works. Who are the lawmakers? Corporations. Fedex lobbyists actually wrote the baseball style arbitration RLA legislation Bush was pushing prior to 9/11. Fred and you must be good buddies.

Add the definition of communism to your reading list.

Yeah Fred and I are best buddies, he provides me with enough income to just barely pay my taxes and keep you in welfare.

China has more people who don't have indoor plumbing than the US has people. Either way you ignore the fact that overall china pumps out the most c02, not that it matters. c02 isn't causing any of this. It's easy to be "ahead" with scams like "Green energy" when you are a communist nation.

why would bankers go to jail if they haven't committed a crime? Save your socialist populist nonsense for the sanders rally.

I was quite clear that on a per capita basis the US is a bigger CO2 emitter than China and India.

Your lack of understanding of simple facts makes such discussions challenging. Almost every one of your assertions is erroneous so it is not surprising that you have come to the wrong conclusion on climate change. What is clear is that you don't let facts stand in the way of your silly story.

As usual you manipulated the data to push your own agenda. I was alsomquit clear when I said China is the biggest polluter in the world and double that of the next two.

You continue to believe the false narrative of so called climate change when the overwhelming evidence shows otherwise. Either way at the end of the day my side will prevail in policy

Really? Your side? What does prevailing in policy look like exactly?

LOL

Who could forget the hilariously wrong apocalyptic predictions on the first "Earth Day" in 1970? Among them were the end of civilization within 15-30 years, 100-200 million deaths to starvation annually for ten years, urban dwellers having to wear gas masks to survive, and my personal favorite – an ice age by the year 2000.

Every major prediction you enviro-wackos have made has been proven false since the first of you rose up out of the slime.

Warmist fear-mongers pushing a leftist socio-economic agenda crack me up.

1970? Ever heard of 'Moore's Law'? You know what they say. Ignorance is bliss.

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Then you must be a very happy person indeed.