Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Pilot Lounge > Hangar Talk
Climategate--The Final Chapter >

Climategate--The Final Chapter

Notices
Hangar Talk For non-aviation-related discussion and aviation threads that don't belong elsewhere

Climategate--The Final Chapter

Old 04-27-2012, 06:54 AM
  #241  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Default

So we are not making cheap energy appear expensive and expensive energy appear cheaper? You lost me in your rebuttal.
FDXLAG is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 07:08 AM
  #242  
With The Resistance
 
jungle's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
Default

Just the facts please:


"Solyndra was just the appetizer. Earlier today, in what will come as a surprise only to members of the administration, the company which proudly held the rights to the world's largest solar power project, the hilariously named Solar Trust of America ("STA"), filed for bankruptcy. And while one could say that the company's epic collapse is more a function of alternative energy politics in Germany, where its 70% parent Solar Millennium AG filed for bankruptcy last December, what is relevant is that last April STA was the proud recipient of a $2.1 billion conditional loan from the Department of Energy, incidentally the second largest loan ever handed out by the DOE's Stephen Chu. That amount was supposed to fund the expansion of the company's 1000 MW Blythe Solar Power Project in Riverside, California. From the funding press release, "This project construction is expected to create over 1,000 direct jobs in Southern California, 7,500 indirect jobs in related industries throughout the United States, and more than 200 long-term operational jobs at the facility itself. It will play a key role in stimulating the American economy,” said Uwe T. Schmidt, Chairman and CEO of Solar Trust of America and Executive Chairman of project development subsidiary Solar Millennium, LLC." Instead, what Solar Trust will do is create lots of billable hours for bankruptcy attorneys (at $1,000/hour), and a good old equity extraction for the $22 million DIP lender, which just happens to be NextEra Energy Resources, LLC, another "alternative energy" company which last year received a $935 million loan courtesy of the very same (and now $2.1 billion poorer) Department of Energy, which is also a subsidiary of public NextEra Energy (NEE), in the process ultimately resulting in yet another transfer of taxpayer cash to NEE's private shareholders."



North Korean missles? Can their centrally planned world get one to fly for more than ninety seconds?

Is it too much to ask for an energy source to make economic sense?

The only superstition we are dealing with now is that a centrally planned economy can actually work, and believe me, there are a lot of superstitious savages out there that think it can despite a century of proof to the contrary.
jungle is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 07:13 AM
  #243  
Banned
 
Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: electron wrangler
Posts: 372
Default Re: Climategate--The Final Chapter

Originally Posted by FDXLAG View Post
So we are not making cheap energy appear expensive and expensive energy appear cheaper? You lost me in your rebuttal.
Remember my assertion that when all the hidden costs for a gallon of gasoline, ie a standing army to protect the source, are included, it's probably north of $20 per gallon?

Also, the cost of every new technology like renewable energy always cost more in the beginning but renewables have the potential to be exponentially cheaper, safer and cleaner without the hidden costs.

I agree with this one point of the video but not the way they intended.
N2264J is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 07:19 AM
  #244  
With The Resistance
 
jungle's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
Default

Originally Posted by N2264J View Post
Remember my assertion that when all the hidden costs for a gallon of gasoline, ie a standing army to protect the source, are included, it's probably north of $20 per gallon?

Also, the cost of every new technology like renewable energy always cost more in the beginning but renewables have the potential to be exponentially cheaper, safer and cleaner without the hidden costs.

I agree with this one point of the video but not the way they intended.
Facts replaced with slanted opinion? Thanks for the examples you provide here.
jungle is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 07:42 AM
  #245  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Default

Originally Posted by N2264J View Post
Remember my assertion that when all the hidden costs for a gallon of gasoline, ie a standing army to protect the source, are included, it's probably north of $20 per gallon?

Also, the cost of every new technology like renewable energy always cost more in the beginning but renewables have the potential to be exponentially cheaper, safer and cleaner without the hidden costs.

I agree with this one point of the video but not the way they intended.
We need a standing army to defend ANWR? Frickin canucks.
FDXLAG is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 08:03 AM
  #246  
With The Resistance
 
jungle's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
Default

Mexico has no large standing army, they produce their own oil and isn't it odd that they don't pay an imaginary $20 dollars a gallon?

Canada has a very small army, they produce their own oil, and it is not priced at an imaginary $20 dollars a gallon.

The list goes on, but the world price of gasoline varies by country for one reason-taxes.
jungle is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 10:10 AM
  #247  
Gets Weekends Off
 
KC10 FATboy's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Legacy FO
Posts: 4,094
Default

Originally Posted by N2264J View Post
Remember my assertion that when all the hidden costs for a gallon of gasoline, ie a standing army to protect the source, are included, it's probably north of $20 per gallon?

Also, the cost of every new technology like renewable energy always cost more in the beginning but renewables have the potential to be exponentially cheaper, safer and cleaner without the hidden costs.

I agree with this one point of the video but not the way they intended.
You are ignorant ... no disrespect. Look up the definition of the word.

There are NO renewable energy sources that are "exponentially cheaper". There aren't any renewable energy sources cheaper.

If so, EVERYONE would be using them. Do you think we like funding big oil for kicks??

Again, I say this being respectful. If you truly believe and stand for what you are preaching here, then you need to give up everything in your life and stand by your word. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite.
KC10 FATboy is offline  
Old 04-27-2012, 04:46 PM
  #248  
Retired
 
DYNASTY HVY's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Position: whale wrangler
Posts: 3,527
Default

I wonder how environmental activism would play in Saudi Arabia ?
I,m just saying .
DYNASTY HVY is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 05:50 AM
  #249  
Gets Weekends Off
 
KC10 FATboy's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Legacy FO
Posts: 4,094
Default Oh No They Didn't ...

Oh yes they did!

First they fund the campaigns of our "we're not going to let lobbyists in Washington" government. Then they get a half-billion dollar kickback loan despite being on a sinking ship. Then, after they go bust and the money is stolen and everyone wondering what happened and where they money went, they leave behind toxic waste that the taxpayer will have to cleanup. But I thought this stuff was renewable and clean?

You just can't make this stuff up!!!

Solyndra Not Dealing With Toxic Waste At Milpitas Facility « CBS San Francisco
KC10 FATboy is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 07:14 AM
  #250  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Airhoss's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,708
Default

There aren't any renewable energy sources cheaper.
Except for whale oil.
Airhoss is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
CLewis
Part 135
5
07-11-2011 06:35 PM
FlyJSH
Regional
666
05-22-2011 05:43 PM
Gajre539
The Boneyard
0
07-19-2010 01:45 PM
hslightnin
Mesa Airlines
207
01-07-2010 06:33 PM
BEWELCH
Flight Schools and Training
43
03-21-2007 09:42 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices