Climategate--The Final Chapter
06-17-2012, 05:26 PM
#301
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Originally Posted by todd1200
Okay, I'll paste the url again:
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2010/...ansen_etal.pdf
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2010/...ansen_etal.pdf
Now, once again, I must ask for a single scientific study with data. Not just a single chart, not just an opinion, not just a denial of the facts.
Show us a scientific study backed by data.
The reason you can't is clear. The data can't support you claims.
But please, show us the study and the data.
We are all open to learning, but we can all smell BS from at least six miles away.
06-17-2012, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
And I can show you charts that indicate we are at the coldest temperature in the last 2000 years.
Now, show us the study and the data. Show us any correlation between man made CO2 and temperature change.
Science boys, it is your friend. Show us the science, show us the data and show us the correlation.
Until then you are just barking at the Moon.
Now, show us the study and the data. Show us any correlation between man made CO2 and temperature change.
Science boys, it is your friend. Show us the science, show us the data and show us the correlation.
Until then you are just barking at the Moon.
06-17-2012, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BladeRunner
Spoken to scientist in the field and they say climate change is real but man has little to do with it. FYI.
"My favorite quote of all those uncovered was from the climate criminal who asked his colleagues what would happen to them if it was discovered that climate change was “mainly a multidecadal natural fluctuation,” as much of the evidence shows. He answers his own question: “They’ll kill us probably.”
The fact is they "killed" all of their own credibility by attempting one of the largest public swindles in history. This swindle has nothing to do with science.
For such "smart" guys they really didn't know much about operational security, but like most criminals they didn't think they would get caught.
06-17-2012, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
Post whatever you like, Hansen has long been discredited.
Now, once again, I must ask for a single scientific study with data. Not just a single chart, not just an opinion, not just a denial of the facts.
But please, show us the study and the data.
Now, once again, I must ask for a single scientific study with data. Not just a single chart, not just an opinion, not just a denial of the facts.
But please, show us the study and the data.
06-17-2012, 07:11 PM
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I'm guessing the fact that the IPCC made use of these datasets means that they cannot be trusted, but just in case, here's a link to the CRUTEM3, NCDC and GISS sets --
IPCC DDC: AR4 Observations
IPCC DDC: AR4 Observations
06-17-2012, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1200
06-17-2012, 10:23 PM
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Ice core maybe? How do they ever know how hot it got? I wouldn't dump on them unless I knew the answer to that. If you don't know the method how can you question the accuracy. I am not saying you shouldn't question either, just that it is out of order.
06-17-2012, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by todd1200
Haha, is this the Twilight Zone? Did I just post a "single scientific study with data"? So you don't trust data from NASA, and you don't trust data from the UN. Do you trust NOAA (Oops, that's another useless govt. agency out to scare the public in order to justify it's own existence). I'll look around for some data sets provided by observations of weather stations and satellites built and operated by Michael Crichton, Shell Oil, and Fox News -- but if you disqualify every government funded meteorological agency, you're not going to find any data on anything.
You seem to keep confusing science and politics. The UN is not a scientific agency.
Actual observed data by the largest climate office in the world shows no significant warming over the last 15 years-do you know which agency that is?
06-18-2012, 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gundam
Ice core maybe? How do they ever know how hot it got? I wouldn't dump on them unless I knew the answer to that. If you don't know the method how can you question the accuracy. I am not saying you shouldn't question either, just that it is out of order.
I truly believe that there are hard working scientists who despite the political opportunism of certain politicians who make every attempt to exploit them, are still making great strides towards our understanding of this planet and the many many variables that effect our climate.
We need to continue to fund this important research and get politics out of the equation.
06-18-2012, 09:33 AM
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NOAA Global Climate Analysis May 2012:State of the Climate | Global Analysis | May 2012
NOAA Dataset:ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v3/
Station-level data:ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghc...ucts/stnplots/
Station vs. neighbor comparisons:ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghc...ts/stn-vs-net/
NOAA Dataset:ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghcn/v3/
Station-level data:ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghc...ucts/stnplots/
Station vs. neighbor comparisons:ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ghc...ts/stn-vs-net/
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