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Old 04-03-2016, 07:04 PM
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Who cares what Skylab, Apollo & Space Shuttle technicians and astronauts think about CO2? You deniers are really grasping at straws. Pathetic. When you get some real climatologists whose research wasn't paid for by Big Oil please post it.

Here are your 50 NASA signatories.

Ref: Letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, dated 3-26-12, regarding a request for NASA to refrain from making unsubstantiated claims that human produced CO2 is having a catastrophic impact on climate change.

1. /s/ Jack Barneburg, Jack – JSC, Space Shuttle Structures, Engineering Directorate, 34 years
2. /s/ Larry Bell – JSC, Mgr. Crew Systems Div., Engineering Directorate, 32 years
3. /s/ Dr. Donald Bogard – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 41 years
4. /s/ Jerry C. Bostick – JSC, Principal Investigator, Science Directorate, 23 years
5. /s/ Dr. Phillip K. Chapman – JSC, Scientist – astronaut, 5 years
6. /s/ Michael F. Collins, JSC, Chief, Flight Design and Dynamics Division, MOD, 41 years
7. /s/ Dr. Kenneth Cox – JSC, Chief Flight Dynamics Div., Engr. Directorate, 40 years
8. /s/ Walter Cunningham – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 7, 8 years
9. /s/ Dr. Donald M. Curry – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Leading Edge, Thermal Protection Sys., Engr. Dir., 44 years
10. /s/ Leroy Day – Hdq. Deputy Director, Space Shuttle Program, 19 years
11. /s/ Dr. Henry P. Decell, Jr. – JSC, Chief, Theory & Analysis Office, 5 years
12. /s/Charles F. Deiterich – JSC, Mgr., Flight Operations Integration, MOD, 30 years
13. /s/ Dr. Harold Doiron – JSC, Chairman, Shuttle Pogo Prevention Panel, 16 years
14. /s/ Charles Duke – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 16, 10 years
15. /s/ Anita Gale
16. /s/ Grace Germany – JSC, Program Analyst, 35 years
17. /s/ Ed Gibson – JSC, Astronaut Skylab 4, 14 years
18. /s/ Richard Gordon – JSC, Astronaut, Gemini Xi, Apollo 12, 9 years
19. /s/ Gerald C. Griffin – JSC, Apollo Flight Director, and Director of Johnson Space Center, 22 years
20. /s/ Thomas M. Grubbs – JSC, Chief, Aircraft Maintenance and Engineering Branch, 31 years
21. /s/ Thomas J. Harmon
22. /s/ David W. Heath – JSC, Reentry Specialist, MOD, 30 years
23. /s/ Miguel A. Hernandez, Jr. – JSC, Flight crew training and operations, 3 years
24. /s/ James R. Roundtree – JSC Branch Chief, 26 years
25. /s/ Enoch Jones – JSC, Mgr. SE&I, Shuttle Program Office, 26 years
26. /s/ Dr. Joseph Kerwin – JSC, Astronaut, Skylab 2, Director of Space and Life Sciences, 22 years
27. /s/ Jack Knight – JSC, Chief, Advanced Operations and Development Division, MOD, 40 years
28. /s/ Dr. Christopher C. Kraft – JSC, Apollo Flight Director and Director of Johnson Space Center, 24 years
29. /s/ Paul C. Kramer – JSC, Ass.t for Planning Aeroscience and Flight Mechanics Div., Egr. Dir., 34 years
30. /s/ Alex (Skip) Larsen
31. /s/ Dr. Lubert Leger – JSC, Ass’t. Chief Materials Division, Engr. Directorate, 30 years
32. /s/ Dr. Humbolt C. Mandell – JSC, Mgr. Shuttle Program Control and Advance Programs, 40 years
33. /s/ Donald K. McCutchen – JSC, Project Engineer – Space Shuttle and ISS Program Offices, 33 years
34. /s/ Thomas L. (Tom) Moser – Hdq. Dep. Assoc. Admin. & Director, Space Station Program, 28 years
35. /s/ Dr. George Mueller – Hdq., Assoc. Adm., Office of Space Flight, 6 years
36. /s/ Tom Ohesorge
37. /s/ James Peacock – JSC, Apollo and Shuttle Program Office, 21 years
38. /s/ Richard McFarland – JSC, Mgr. Motion Simulators, 28 years
39. /s/ Joseph E. Rogers – JSC, Chief, Structures and Dynamics Branch, Engr. Directorate, 40 years
40. /s/ Bernard J. Rosenbaum – JSC, Chief Engineer, Propulsion and Power Division, Engr. Dir., 48 years
41. /s/ Dr. Harrison (Jack) Schmitt – JSC, Astronaut Apollo 17, 10 years
42. /s/ Gerard C. Shows – JSC, Asst. Manager, Quality Assurance, 30 years
43. /s/ Kenneth Suit – JSC, Ass’t Mgr., Systems Integration, Space Shuttle, 37 years
44. /s/ Robert F. Thompson – JSC, Program Manager, Space Shuttle, 44 years
45. /s/ Frank Van Renesselaer – Hdq., Mgr. Shuttle Solid Rocket Boosters, 15 years
46. /s/ Dr. James Visentine – JSC Materials Branch, Engineering Directorate, 30 years
47. /s/ Manfred (Dutch) von Ehrenfried – JSC, Flight Controller; Mercury, Gemini & Apollo, MOD, 10 years
48. /s/ George Weisskopf – JSC, Avionics Systems Division, Engineering Dir., 40 years
49. /s/ Al Worden – JSC, Astronaut, Apollo 15, 9 years
50. /s/ Thomas (Tom) Wysmuller – JSC, Meteorologist, 5 years
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive View Post
No need to wait, you just need to honestly seek the truth,

Why Carbon Dioxide Is a Greenhouse Gas - Scientific American

Who? Please post their information.

Honestly seek the truth? The article you quoted doesn't even prove what the title says its trying to prove.

If CO2 levels caused changes in temperatures (specifically more CO2 higher temps), then we wouldn't have had cooling when CO2 levels were radically increasing (mini ice age when humans were around). And we wouldn't have had warming 10 times as much higher than 0.8C when CO2 levels remained flat.

In other words, when someone says CO2 causes temperature changes, they fail to acknowledge many times in history, including recent history, where higher CO2 levels did not lead to warming.

Let's assume CO2 does cause temperatures to rise. If so, why did temperatures fall when CO2 was still significantly increasing? And why are we not observing massive warming, as the earth has done in history, which our current historic levels of CO2 today?

The reason these why these questions can't be answered is because CO2 doesn't change temperatures.
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive View Post
Here are your 50 NASA signatories.
Do you really think that proves anything?
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox View Post
Do you really think that proves anything?
No, it doesn't. That's my point.
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox View Post
The article you quoted doesn't even prove what the title says its trying to prove.
Actually, it does in layman's terms and is backed up by the overwhelming peer reviewed scientific evidence.

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The reason these why these questions can't be answered is because CO2 doesn't change temperatures.
Sorry, but CO2 is a proven greenhouse gas.

But carbon dioxide and other trace gases in the atmosphere do absorb the outgoing long-wave radiation.
So while their concentrations are miniscule, their effect is anything but: If the atmosphere didn't have those trace amounts of greenhouse gases, New York City would be covered in ice sheets – not sweltering – on a typical summer afternoon. The globe's average temperature would be almost 60 degrees Fahrenheit lower.
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive View Post
Actually, it does in layman's terms and is backed up by the overwhelming peer reviewed scientific evidence.

Sorry, but CO2 is a proven greenhouse gas.

But carbon dioxide and other trace gases in the atmosphere do absorb the outgoing long-wave radiation.
So while their concentrations are miniscule, their effect is anything but: If the atmosphere didn't have those trace amounts of greenhouse gases, New York City would be covered in ice sheets – not sweltering – on a typical summer afternoon. The globe's average temperature would be almost 60 degrees Fahrenheit lower.
Stop posting someone's opinion.

If this is true, why has our planet cooled with increasing CO2 levels? Why did it radically warm when CO2 were much lower than today's CO2 levels?

These things did happen and they don't follow the model of more CO2 higher temperatures.

Ask those "scientists" explain that.
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Old 04-03-2016, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive View Post

When you get some real climatologists whose research wasn't paid for by Big Oil please post it.

Why? So you can deny it/them and call them deniers too?

When you get some "climatologists" whose research wasn't paid for by leftist ideologists pushing a political socio-economic agenda please post it.

Meanwhile, your ignoring the leftist fascists calling for the murder and jailing of those who disagree with your junk "consensus" "science" is blatantly obvious and very, very telling.
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Originally Posted by SayAlt View Post
When you get some "climatologists" whose research wasn't paid for by leftist ideologists pushing a political socio-economic agenda please post it.

Meanwhile, your ignoring the leftist fascists calling for the murder and jailing of those who disagree with your junk "consensus" "science" is blatantly obvious and very, very telling.
I was hoping you weren't serious. All I can say is you should do whatever you have to get some perspective. Your assertions are as absurd and non-reality based as your sources.

Best of luck.
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox View Post
Stop posting someone's opinion.
It's not just someone. That's the point.

NASA GISS: Dr. Gavin A. Schmidt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrJJxn-gCdo

Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox View Post
Ask those "scientists" explain that.
He explained it in the article I posted.
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Originally Posted by Flytolive View Post

Your assertions are as absurd and non-reality based as your sources.

LMAO

Well, color me pink. A fascist denying eco-terrorists exist. Shocking! Are you also denying that 20 "climatologists" wrote a well-publicized letter to Obama calling for the prosecution of those who disagree with your precious "consensus"??? That there isn't a gov't funded play entitled "Kill the Deniers"??

Who is the denier, again??

Arrest Climate-Change Deniers
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