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Old 01-20-2012, 08:49 AM
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:15 AM
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Good to see they have options. The US would be foolish to give up that source of oil.
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Good to see they have options. The US would be foolish to give up that source of oil.
After all the hand wringing that went on about this I would,nt be surprised if the Canadians thought twice about any future ventures down here .
There are times when we are our own worst enemy and this is one of those times .

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Sixteen Concerned Scientists: No Need to Panic About Global Warming - WSJ.com

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In September, Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ivar Giaever, a supporter of President Obama in the last election, publicly resigned from the American Physical Society (APS) with a letter that begins: "I did not renew [my membership] because I cannot live with the [APS policy] statement: 'The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.' In the APS it is OK to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible?"

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"The fact is that CO2 is not a pollutant. CO2 is a colorless and odorless gas, exhaled at high concentrations by each of us, and a key component of the biosphere's life cycle. Plants do so much better with more CO2 that greenhouse operators often increase the CO2 concentrations by factors of three or four to get better growth. This is no surprise since plants and animals evolved when CO2 concentrations were about 10 times larger than they are today. Better plant varieties, chemical fertilizers and agricultural management contributed to the great increase in agricultural yields of the past century, but part of the increase almost certainly came from additional CO2 in the atmosphere."

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Old 01-28-2012, 07:44 AM
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Sixteen Concerned Scientists: No Need to Panic About Global Warming - WSJ.com

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So out of an organization of 48,000, you think 16 resigning from APS is significant enough to hang your
hat on? You're going to get smug about less than one tenth of one percent of one organization?
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So out of an organization of 48,000, you think 16 resigning from APS is significant enough to hang your
hat on? You're going to get smug about less than one tenth of one percent of one organization?
I have you beat. 31,487 scientists do not agree with you and have signed a petition here.

Global Warming Petition Project

Scientists sign petition denying man-made global warming

I guess the science isn't "settled" now is it?
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I have you beat. 31,487 scientists do not agree with you and have signed a petition here.

Global Warming Petition Project

Scientists sign petition denying man-made global warming

I guess the science isn't "settled" now is it?
Ten, I looked up a few from my state....a Vet, Pharmacist, radiology etc
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Originally Posted by N2264J View Post
So out of an organization of 48,000, you think 16 resigning from APS is significant enough to hang your
hat on? You're going to get smug about less than one tenth of one percent of one organization?

Not hanging my hat on the number of scientists, I am hanging my hat on the content of the article. Isnt that what a scientist would do? Or would he like you recite dogma and ignore the content of the article?

It only takes one scientist to be right. Did most of the plant and animal life evolve when CO2 levels where higher or not? Keep reciting your Dogma; CO2 is a pollutant, Man is bad. CO2 is a pollutant, Man is bad, CO2 is a pollutant, Man is bad.
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It only takes one scientist to be right. Did most of the plant and animal life evolve when CO2 levels where higher or not? Keep reciting your Dogma; CO2 is a pollutant, Man is bad. CO2 is a pollutant, Man is bad, CO2 is a pollutant, Man is bad.
Why does everyone think that just because the earth once had high CO2 levels or there were ice ages in the past that this would be OK again? What matters is not the way the earth was before, but the way it is now. Our society is dependent on this current climate. Just because the Sahara used to be a rain forest, the Midwest used to be under the sea, and Europe used to be covered in ice does not mean it would not be disastrous if that happened again.

I don’t have a dog in this fight because I don’t listen to a pilot’s view on science just as I would listen to scientist’s views on landing. There are a lot on APC who like to criticize others for believing in climate change by saying they are just regurgitating reports from scientists who have an agenda, but are they not doing the same thing? There is money to be made on both sides of this debate, so there are a lot of half-truths and misconceptions on both sides.

One of my favorite APC arguments against climate change is when people find specific examples of record snow fall amounts in months or areas that don’t normally see that much snow. If anything that supports climate change because high atmospheric moisture content supports the argument that the atmosphere is warming and the climate is changing. And even if you take the examples where posters just report record cold spells in winter, then how would you explain the incredibly warm winter the Northeast is experiencing now? Normally this time of year the streets have 2-foot snow banks on the side and it is painfully cold. So far, it has only snowed 3 times (including a strange storm in October) and the snow has always melted the next day. For the majority of January, the temperatures have been in the mid 50s!
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