I miss the good old days
01-15-2012, 09:10 PM
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I miss the good old days
I remember a time when the Soviets were the biggest threat to the American way of life.
The NDAA's historic assault on American liberty | Jonathan Turley | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The NDAA's historic assault on American liberty | Jonathan Turley | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01-16-2012, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH
I remember a time when the Soviets were the biggest threat to the American way of life.
The NDAA's historic assault on American liberty | Jonathan Turley | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The NDAA's historic assault on American liberty | Jonathan Turley | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
01-16-2012, 05:22 AM
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Since the underlying problem here is bad guys taking US citizenship with fraudulent and malign intent the scope should be limited to naturalized citizens.
That's not perfect either but it gets at what the bad guys are exploiting.
That's not perfect either but it gets at what the bad guys are exploiting.
01-16-2012, 05:46 AM
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Re: I miss the good old days
Originally Posted by FlyJSH
I remember a time when the Soviets were the biggest threat to the American way of life...
I sent Obama the following Email and wrote to several Senators and Representatives. There is no pride in authorship here. If you're former military, feel free to plagiarize or modify.
As a former military officer, I signed a contract to put my life on the line if necessary to protect the constitution.
So after hearing all the "support the troops" rhetoric from Washington, you can imagine my sense of betrayal when congress and the president, who have taken the same oath, work to casually dismantle that document.
That is a huge and shameful breach of trust and makes a mockery of the sacrifice military members have made and continue to make.
So after hearing all the "support the troops" rhetoric from Washington, you can imagine my sense of betrayal when congress and the president, who have taken the same oath, work to casually dismantle that document.
That is a huge and shameful breach of trust and makes a mockery of the sacrifice military members have made and continue to make.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml
Daily Kos: National Defense Authorization Act -- 13 Senators voted NO
The Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, warrantless wiretapping, the loss of Habeas Corpus and now Posse Comitatus - we are careening down the road to fascism.
If you don't like the management at your airline, imagine how much you are going to like them running the country because that's where we are.
Occupy Wall Street is scaring the crap out of the ruling class and their paid corporate surrogates in Washington are happy to do their bidding.
01-16-2012, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by N2264J
And then we found out that was way overblown.
I sent Obama the following Email and wrote to several Senators and Representatives. There is no pride in authorship here. If you're former military, feel free to plagiarize or modify.
Here's a list of the representatives and senators who voted against it. Notice the civil libertarian Ron Paul failed to vote - unbelievable:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml
Daily Kos: National Defense Authorization Act -- 13 Senators voted NO
The Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, warrantless wiretapping, the loss of Habeas Corpus and now Posse Comitatus - we are careening down the road to fascism.
If you don't like the management at your airline, imagine how much you are going to like them running the country because that's where we are.
Occupy Wall Street is scaring the crap out of the ruling class and their paid corporate surrogates in Washington are happy to do their bidding.
I sent Obama the following Email and wrote to several Senators and Representatives. There is no pride in authorship here. If you're former military, feel free to plagiarize or modify.
Here's a list of the representatives and senators who voted against it. Notice the civil libertarian Ron Paul failed to vote - unbelievable:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2011/roll932.xml
Daily Kos: National Defense Authorization Act -- 13 Senators voted NO
The Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, warrantless wiretapping, the loss of Habeas Corpus and now Posse Comitatus - we are careening down the road to fascism.
If you don't like the management at your airline, imagine how much you are going to like them running the country because that's where we are.
Occupy Wall Street is scaring the crap out of the ruling class and their paid corporate surrogates in Washington are happy to do their bidding.
MAD(mutually assured destruction) was probably one of the best answers to the types of world wars that had been foisted upon humans.
Unfortunately, it has been replaced by MAED(mutually assured economic destruction), which has been waged freely under very poor worldwide leadership.
In the end, wars are based mostly on economics and governments have been the largest killer of humans in recorded history aside from disease and old age.
Your real error in logic is thinking that any form of government holds salvation, they are not the answer-they are the problem.
Any efforts to limit the freedoms of the individual are ultimately counterproductive, criminal and deadly.
Once we understand that our problem is governments trying to engineer humans, we will begin to see improvement, until then human progress will remain on a limited plateau.
The only legitimate purpose of any government is to provide for the collective defense, and protect individual rights to liberty, property and self-defense. Anything else is about control of the collective and theft.
Last edited by jungle; 01-16-2012 at 09:18 AM.
01-16-2012, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jungle
The only legitimate purpose of any government is to provide for the collective defense, and protect individual rights to liberty, property and self-defense. Anything else is about control of the collective and theft.
01-16-2012, 01:39 PM
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01-17-2012, 04:06 PM
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Re: I miss the good old days
And I think we have to ask, if the security establishment did not want this bill, and the FBI Director Mueller actually goes to Congress and says publicly they don’t want it, why did it pass? What pushed it through? And I think, without question, the corporate elites understand that things, certainly economically, are about to get much worse. I think they’re worried about the Occupy movement expanding. And I think that, in the end—and this is a supposition—they don’t trust the police to protect them, and they want to be able to call in the Army...
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