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RAH is the cesspool of the industry just saying.

Not sure if anyone at Colgan is thinking about going over.

Aren't they offering like a 5k bonus?? I know if I was on the chopping block I would be sending my stuff there ASAP.

What would be the backlash of making a move like that??

Anybody know if the "Job Opportunity for UAL Furloughees" is still active for RAH? Signing bonus would be a nice little bonus for somebody who already lost their job to this pilot group. :p

Anybody else see the irony and stupidity in the position RAH Teamsters are taking? Standby for the court order....

Apparently that's the price it takes for someone to tolerate this ****hole.

Wait, you work for 9E and you don't think you are on the chopping block?

And the carousel of who's the worst just keeps on spinning. I guess RAH is the flavor of the month. We get it already...especially since there are already 3 open topics devoted to some form of this issue.

Are you sure you get it because people are still wanting to come work here for some reason?

It's amazing that people who don't even work for RAH are more valuable ($5,000) to BB and his cronies than the people who have been working for RAH for years and making him money. Of course if you make the sad mistake of working at this s$#@hole, you will now be one of the worthless ones who are just a warm body in the seat to him.

There is a problem, because i thought that title belonged to Gojets.

What do you do when you have to tell your family, that you no longer have your job?

Will you mention that there are places that probably could employ you with comparable pay, but you wont apply because of the potential misguided and uninformed backlash from members on APC? What would their reactions be?

Would you rather collect unemployment in the same way a single 19 year old mother with no HS diploma collects welfare/food-stamps?

What do you do when more companies start hiring and at your interview you have to explain why you chose to stay unemployed instead of finding gainful employment?

What to do...Be a bum for now, which may be a potentially long time, or apply to a regional like Republic, or even worse, gojets?:eek:
What to do...

I think its very classy how someone with a job, will tell someone that has just lost their job to not apply somewhere because it may affect that persons qol.But what do i know?

Dunno if this is the right forum, but I'd like give a big shout-out to the RAH pilots who made sure that I got on the jumpseat today as I commuted home from LGA. You guys are a class act!

Agreed. Any RAH pilot who seriously thinks this strategy should work needs to resign themselves. Very hypocritical given how many mainline jobs they have gladly taken by upgrading to bigger RJs.

KC

Oh yeah, I forgot, BB asked me what plane to order. I said "E-190s but make 'em 99 seats so we can continue making crap pay and watch jobs at decent companies disappear in smoke."

Thanks for reminding me. You should clarify your definition of "they". If "they" is pilots, then surely we must be able to get ourselves some work rules and pay raises while we are ordering all these aircraft. Or if "they" doesn't include pilots, then why should pilots resign?

Whats the problem? The pilot shortage is just around the corner.

And this is the reason I have 25 posts because getting into a endless debate on the internet is not my style. Expressjet, Skywest, ASA, Air Wisconsin, Compass, PSA, Piedmont are all airlines that are hiring, and most pay better than RAH. Maybe I would exhaust options elsewhere before applying here.

You are right I stand corrected GOJet might be worse.

I am only trying to get the facts out there that is all.

I know there are a lot of sides/dynamics to this so I'll elaborate:

Almost, scope has been relaxed at UAL since the 90's when we gave up 50 seat RJs for the promise of some 400s. Then in BK more was given to protect pensions, which was taken away. ALPA's screw up, agreed.

Well, fast forward a few years and now all these oursourced RJ outfits are fighting over the scraps as oil and consolidation make the RJ less viable. I don't want to paint with a broad brush as I now a lot of good guys/gals at the regionals who simply want to pay their bills, build time and get hired on at a major (hopefully soon).

To the rest who think they are entitled to bigger and bigger RJs, who see their RJ outfit as a career end all to itself and now want to tell a CFI or furloughed pilot not to come work at their airline because it does not benefit them? Talk about selfishness.

Kc

They=RAH pilots

As I said, I think you should all resign and restore some jobs back to mainline. Sounds just about as ridiculous as telling somebody not to come work for RAH.

Either way, good luck with the lawsuit and subsequent TRO. Even if you win and end up with a rich contract, it will be short lived. Comair and ACA also got too big for their britches and look what happened.

Come work here and pass on all the other regionals. That makes sense.

Just to belabor my point. If "they=RAH Pilots" THEN, "they" that order planes and steal jobs can get a smoking good contract because all we have to do is wish it, just like we clamor for our dirtbag leadership to turn seats into tray tables. I wonder why, then, we've been struggling to get a CBA for the past 5 years (this month).

Thanks for reminding us about other companies that got "to big for their britches", because using your logic I can't even warn a fellow aviator that such a future might exist for them at RAH. I don't happen to think we'll get a great contract, but I do think we'll strike for one, and/or fight the company to the bitter end.

By further extension of your logic, since no one should be warned away from employment here, all 3000 of us resigning, would just result in 3000 new pilots being recruited to replace us and the ellusive mainline jobs we take...

Anyone that comes here now should be prepared to endure sham furloughs and other tactics employed by the company in lead up to a strike. When I look and see that they were hired from March 2012-CBA date, I will assume they knew what they were doing when they signed on, were prepared for a furlough or firing, and I'll be hesitant to donate/help them out during/after a strike.

Ronaldo-

Your (and all other code share pilots) predicament sucks. Sorry to say that, sincerely. I spent 3 years at the regionals in the 90s and been furloughed a couple times from UAL since then. Hopefully we can get as many of you guys on property as possible over the next major hiring surge and starve the regionals of pilots. Seems like a more realistic goal then trying to raise the pay from the bottom just to be replaced by the next cheapest code share contract. Regionals were never meant to be a career all unto themselves.

Good luck-

KC

Im with you, as far as getting scooped up on the next major hiring event. However, regionals at the end of this year will be hiring like crazy. They know over the next ten years they will need pilots, the 1500 hour rule doesn't help them out at all.

Right now at republic, staffing levels are just fine especially with the base closure.The reason why they want so many pilots now, is to cover not only their 40 jet order when deliveries start in 2015, but they need pilots before 2013 to cover attrition and flying until at least 2022! So if we don't figure out pay now, it won't ever happen.

Everyone is so up in arms over the $5000 bonus.Its not a big deal at all.Republic has no where to send their new hires. St.Louis can't even handle training the Lynx pilots to fly the EJets! Jetblue, can't spare any time in orlando, Air Canada is hogging all the sim time in montreal. The only option that is seriously being considered right now, is sending the new hire pilots home with a CD, and then when sim time comes-hoping that space opens up in STL, or sending the pilots abroad to the UK.

The pilots will have there way, but they better make it count for the next 10 years!

I will gladly resign and re-apply at UAL when you guys take 70 seat scope back.

Keep up the good fight the entire industry is counting on UAL pilots to take back scope and take a stand on outsourcing.

Look folks this "Don't come work for RAH" is really getting out of hand. I'm sure I'm going to get shot by my own colleagues but here it goes.

We are not on strike we are in negotiations. We have leverage on the company with the fact that they are understaffed and are struggeling to find pilots but how can we look ot our fellow industry brothers and sisters and tell them they will be looked down on if they come work at RAH, we need to help them in their time of need so when it is time for us to ask for help they will stand with us. This us vs. them mentality is destroying this once great profession. We are all profesional pilots and need to act as one group, we can be 2000 strong or 60,000 strong. If we all stand with each other this industry will shape up real quick.

All we can do is inform them of the situation and if they want to work under our CBA and are willing to walk with us when the time comes then why should we not welcome them?

This company will go on even if we can't get 1 more pilot to work for us and all it will do is cause us to shrink to staffing levels. We are hurting ourselves, this BS excuse of there is no SIM time anywhere in the world is a way for the company to not show weakness. What it really means is we can't upgrade you becasue we don't have enough FO's to backfill your position.

If we start to hire these Eagle and Pinnacle pilots we will start to see movement again and we all just might upgrade. I would be willing to bet anyone that once our staffing levels for FOs comes back up we will all the sudden find plenty of SIM time.

We put up one hell of a fight last month we flexed our muscels and got noticed by the entire industry. A job well done. Now lets move on to the next fight and keep what we deserve in sight and stop acting like children, we are only hurting ourselves.

Once again , there is no shortage of pilots at RP.
There is sim time available for now, for the current 170/190 group, not for lynx , not for new hires.
Pilots at RP have all the leverage they need. However comfortable captains at RP don't really care about all the same things a 6 year FO does. Secondly there is no Brotherhood.:)

Good glad that is what you took form that post.

I understand what your saying but you have to get the facts straight, we dont have leverage for the reasons i posted we have leverage because the company itself has pretty much nowhere to go , when it comes to this pay issue.They know that if it isn't fixed now, they will have to go through with this again in a few years time.

In the recent lawsuit they allude to the fact that they have some flying on the horizon, but they also insinuate that the market for pilots will only get more competitive. Finally the company mumbles about the training process taking about 3 months. NORMALLY we furlough or announce massive schedule reductions around September timeframe.

I guess the problems this year are 1) RAH planners are squeezed by the attrition of about 1 pilot per day, 2) by less-than usual mainline schedule reductions for fall/winter 3) rest rules, ATP redefinition NPRM, Mayan calendar etc...Thus, I think the problem may be more acute than we realize.

We lost about 10% of my base in the last two months, and I expect that number to go to 15-20% before summer is over based on the number of guys with applications outstanding.

Point is this year everyone, regional - wise, will be hiring at least for the last 3 months straight.

79 people gave up on this dump this month. Company managed to recruit 19, so a net loss of 60, or two people quitting per day. Imagine what will happen when people start hiring. I hope we close the doors on this place. Last one out, please turn off the lights...

Trust me there are worse places.....RP is a safe harbor to weather any storm.

I have to respecfully but emphatically disagree with you! I just finished a trip yesterday having had 3 captains on the trip! I skipped from one trip to the other to cover 2 F/O positions, and then I gave up my second captain because he was reassigned to fly as an F/O because there was still not enough`F/O coverage. And my final captain finally rejoined the trip he was supposed to be on the whole time because he was stuck in IND covering another trip for another captain. And when he finally joined us he told me that they had to cancel flights because of lack of coverage......but yeah there is no shortage of pilots at RAH :rolleyes:

Second, I just spoke to a Check Captain budy of mine who was in Sim all last month and he said he was working NON-STOP and still wasn't able to finish all of his guys waiting for Sim...so there goes the sim time availability theory

And finally, EVERY SINGLE Captain I have flown with has been nothing but supportive of all of us F/O's saying that they feel so bad and support us and our families and will do everything they can to help us all (entire pilot group) get a fair contract. And speaking of brotherhood, while we were going through the whole illegal F/O pay raise debacle I, as well as all the F/O's I spoke to, received so much praise and support from our captains that I would be proud to call each and every one of them my brothers....So much for lack of brotherhood

Again I say these things with the utmost respect but I have to disagree with everything you said because of the facts I just mentioned above, I just hope we are able to get a fair contract sooner rather than later.

Weathering the storm at RAH comes with a two year training contract. Two years to be slaved to the company for an SIC type? No thanks, I don't enjoy flying the RJ that much. My job at 9E is on the chopping block and I will NOT be applying to RAH.

That's fine with your situation, but they're going to start giving FOs their ATP and type in the plane. Plus, a 5 grand bonus. I'm not saying it's the best place to work, but if you have no other options or have the possibility of being based at home, I would go for it.

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Not sure we'll see a "type". If there is any way to weasel out of it, you can bet RAH will find a way. Just as many of these bonuses weren't paid last time around, they won't be paid this time around.

I REALLY would like hear if anyone has sued RAH for bait and switch with the last pay rate change they were emailing out to applicants. It might work for this bonus as well. RAH KNEW that they were changing the pay rates on a CBA during section 6 negotiations = major dispute. So they acted to intentionally deceive applicants from the time they were notified by the union, until they pulled the raise.

How did they previously get out of paying the hiring bonuses?

Also, I see 79 guys left last month, where are they mainly leaving to?

smart thinking...cause those on probation at RAH will once again have their jobs on the chopping block.

I've heard of a few guys that had multiple bonuses unpaid. Management just didn't pay them. Somewhere from the DO down, they just refused to pay the bonus. I don't know case specifics, I've just read/talked to a few guys that were never paid. Not really a surprise with our management.

They changed their vesting in my 401K twice and gave me an "Unavailable" when I got orders to deploy. Imagine how considerate they are when you have a sick family member, car accident, stolen crew bag, or a complaint about not getting your bonus.

Spirit, corporate, jobs in better industries etc. Many of our FOs are qualified to do other work, and are tired of being treated worse than crap by our management so they bail.

That's an amazing statistic. How many active pilots do you have? And regarding your mil leave, you need to call the ESGR. Phone number is on the website. USSERA law is the law. They will help you crush the nuts of anyone that thinks they are above it. That's in spite of the fact that what was done to you is just downright unamerican.

We have about 2000 native RAHers and about 700 Lynx and F9ers on the list. For 2724 total. Most of the people leaving are legacy RAH and Midwest pilots refusing recall.

I was able to get the "Unavailable" changed but that type of mentality is prevalent here. I flew with someone last week that had a life threatening family medical emergency, and the company wouldn't release her from the last 3 hours of out-of-base reserve, on her last day. She acted appropriately, and told them to stuff the out-of-base reserve, and went home.

To be honest, I think we have a Chief Pilot that tries to use common sense and help pilots out, but he is outnumbered by goons at about 15:1.