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Old 05-21-2015, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ATLTRACON View Post
They guy/gal who decides to slow their aircraft without saying anything to ATC. This might be fine in Fargo (nothing against Fargo, loved the movie) but when 20+ aircraft are behind you, and spacing is predicated on you not slowing cause "I heard you tell the last guy short approach so I was setting up for one" or any other excuse, causes a massive chain reaction. I've seen this day in and day out lately and some of the chain reactions I've seen just this week were downright dangerous.

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So how long is the final?
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Old 05-21-2015, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp View Post
You're not serious, are you? Every airliner I've flown has had no problem with 180 to the marker and being configured and normally on speed by 1000 (we require configured by 1000 and on speed+spooled by 500) unless there is a good tailwind.
Spent a day playing dad to a couple sick kiddos, just got back to this.

I'm very serious, but I'm also sure you don't and haven't flown an E190. Note I said 180 to 5, not the marker; most markers are 6-7 miles out which gives me 900-1200 feet to get configured and meet my stabilized approach criteria, which require both configuration and VAPP plus 10 by 1000 feet. 5 miles gives me 2 miles/600 feet to accomplish that, which just isn't going to happen in an E190 from 180 to 130-140 or so. There's a few jet-specific reasons for this versus what's probably normal on a Boeing. I agree that 180 to 5 in a 320 usually works fine, for example...

So what I do is say "unable", and tell the controller what I can do. 160-170 works great depending on tail/headwinds, anti-ice operation etc.

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Old 05-21-2015, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by teddyballgame View Post
It's amazing how many times the proper noun "Cirrus" appears in the NTSB Reporter, isn't it?
Yes indeed. High performance airfoil and a very weird control feel to any of you that have ever flown one. I am not surprised by the outcome.

Paul Bertorelli says it nicely:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nm_hoHhbFo

[Sarcasm]: I'm sure an AOA sensor would have saved the day! [/SARCASM]
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX View Post
Would love to see you back that up with some facts. Not even close to being a true statement Doc.
Do a bit of reading and research if you have not already. It is absolutely true, marketed in very similar manner to relatively inexperienced pilots with similar results. I considered buying one - Cirruses are very affordable for some professional demographics, almost analogous to the Bonanzas back in the day. Fatal accident rate is significantly higher than Cessna or lower wing-loading birds, and has a very high loss of control + stall/spin accident rate.

Beechcraft+Ad+print+photo+Bonanza+1970.jpg (image)

Compare to the targeted Cirrus ads of today.
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Old 05-21-2015, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ysslah View Post
So how long is the final?

When I say short approach, you can expect inside of 10.
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Old 05-21-2015, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by prex8390 View Post
LOL in FAR theyll have you at 2600 10 miles out, better make it nice and slow then or you will wake the cattle. The approach guys there are a interesting bunch with their logic, I can think of several other stories involving them that I havent seen anywhere else. They'll make a Cessna do a short approach for traffic not even at the outer marker yet.
That's probably not too bad an idea given how long some aviators make their traffic patterns... I'll bet they are more concerned with the Cessna lingering on the runway and deciding to taxi 4000 feet to his preferred exit than the actual spacing.

I've had many go-arounds because Mr. Student Pilot or Captain Cessna gets pokey on the rollout, annoying at a charlie or delta because I often could easily make it, almost could think of it as a LAHSO if a light plane, but when tower calls go around, I go around...
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Old 05-21-2015, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob View Post
Was this before or after he was POTUS? There just can't be that much satisfaction in peeing all over an airplane lav after defecating all over an entire nation.
Maybe we've found the identity of the "yellow pee pee monster"

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Old 05-22-2015, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by aewanabe View Post
Spent a day playing dad to a couple sick kiddos, just got back to this.

I'm very serious, but I'm also sure you don't and haven't flown an E190.
I fly a 190, and I don't seem to remember ever having a problem doing this, but like you said, it's usually 180 to the marker, not 5 miles. I'm on a trip right now and it's a nice day, I'll give it a try if not given a speed otherwise.
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Old 05-22-2015, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ATLTRACON View Post
They guy/gal who decides to slow their aircraft without saying anything to ATC. This might be fine in Fargo (nothing against Fargo, loved the movie) but when 20+ aircraft are behind you, and spacing is predicated on you not slowing cause "I heard you tell the last guy short approach so I was setting up for one" or any other excuse, causes a massive chain reaction. I've seen this day in and day out lately and some of the chain reactions I've seen just this week were downright dangerous.

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The problem I usually have with spacing is I can't slow down enough and start running over the guy in front of me.
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Old 05-22-2015, 08:56 AM
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The CA of the PSA CRJ200 in CLT who rolled his left main into the grass turning left onto G taxiway from M and then proceeded to come within a foot or two of rolling the right main into the grass turning on to RWY 23 from G. You have to be a special kind of stupid to do that in a CRJ.
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Old 05-22-2015, 02:10 PM
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I nominate little Dougie Parker for the tool of the day...who can't focus on his own operation....but wants to go after a competitor. The stock holders have to LOVE that.

Great pic from another web site.....what a dick.

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