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Old 07-10-2015, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
Not sure who you fly for, but I have never flown a trip where my pay was straight block. I'm probably 85/15 split between min avg daily credit and TAFB.
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Old 07-10-2015, 04:19 PM
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Its letters like this that warrant an immediate recall to various members, they will not fight for us in future negotiations, they have weakened our position enough already :

Fellow 108 Pilots,
The voting window for the Contact 2015 tentative agreement closed this afternoon. The agreement was rejected by the Delta pilots by a vote of 35% in favor to 65% against. Results by council are not yet available.

What happens now?
We remain in Section 6 negotiations, and we will eventually get a different agreement. For the new agreement to be better than the agreement that was just rejected, it will presumably have to be a superior agreement and make up for the lost gains associated with the delay that will now ensue—including the $114 million in pay raises we were set to begin receiving 10 days ago. It is speculation to predict when a subsequent deal will occur and if it will be of sufficient value to warrant your support, but we are committed to doing whatever we can to achieve that agreement.

John and I have done our best not to speculate on what the future holds under a rejection scenario, but despite how some reps downplayed or dismissed the possibility during the ratification process, mediation may very well be in our future. The PWA states that “In the absence of an agreement by March 31, 2016, the parties agree to jointly petition the National Mediation Board for mediation services,” and many of us are also aware of Delta CEO Richard Anderson’s recent comment that “failure to ratify the agreement will lead to a very different and longer path that will not result in a better deal.”
We agree with MEC chairman Captain Mike Donatelli who recently wrote, “I do not fear mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB); I’ve been there before. But I would be wrong to tell you that anything happens quickly in mediation where we lose control to a process designed to be deliberate, and slow.”

When John and I ran for our respective offices, we made a commitment to you. We told you that we would not pander and that we would tell you what you needed to hear, even if it was something you didn’t want to hear. We don’t fear mediation either, but neither do we relish the prospect. John and I hope to reach a timely agreement because we need to consider the potential arguments of both parties, should we enter mediation. Echoing what some reps have shared, in mediation, we might argue:

•The company is making record profits. They can afford to pay us what we want.
•We took Draconian pay cuts due to bankruptcy.
•We had our pensions terminated (or frozen).
•We are different and (somehow) better than our peers at other airlines.
•Our careers stagnated because of the change in mandatory retirement age.
•This is not about money. It’s about respect.
•We got “hurt” (or verb of your choosing) in the merger.
•We had pilots who were furloughed.
•We haven’t kept up with inflation.

Regardless of whether you agree with any, all, or none of these arguments, they all have one thing in common. Each can be preceded by the phrase “We deserve it because . . .”
When Linda Puchala, former chairman and current member of the NMB, was invited to speak to the Delta MEC as we prepared for negotiations, she explained that according to the NMB’s charter, “NMB programs provide an integrated labor-management dispute resolution process that effectively meets the agency’s statutory mandate to minimize work stoppages in the railroad and airline industries.” (Emphasis added). Put into laymen’s terms, she explained, “We don’t care what you think you deserve.”
Management would likely have a much simpler argument before the NMB. Their argument might be: “Distinguished members of the Board, we love our pilots. They are the best. In fact, last summer, six months before the amendable date, we reached an agreement that would have provided them with the highest pay rates in the history of aviation in this country, an industry-leading profit-sharing plan, and work rules that in aggregate were at or near the best in the industry. And they turned us down.”
It would be the NMB’s determination as to who was in the Board’s self-defined “zone of reasonableness.” We’ll leave it to you to determine the direction they would lean.
John and I made it clear that for a variety of reasons, we supported the rejected agreement, but the ultimate decision rested with the Delta pilots, and we respect the will of the pilot group. During the endgame of negotiations, we repeatedly asked our colleagues who opposed the agreement to provide us with a Plan B that would lead to a superior agreement. Repeatedly, we were met with silence, other than an eyebrow-raising suggestion that the Negotiating Committee go on vacation for a couple of weeks. We stand ready to work with our colleagues with a goal of reaching a better agreement in a timely manner, no matter how elusive that agreement may be. We are concerned, however, that the next move of some will not be toward a path of resolution, but instead toward a path of further division, which will include demands for resignation or recall attempts. That’s not the answer; it’s an excuse and would simply be an attempt to divert attention from the MEC’s own failures. We wholeheartedly support the MEC administration and each and every member of the Negotiating Committee.
Yet unwritten history will be the final arbiter of our collective decisions.
Respectfully,
Buzz and John

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Old 07-10-2015, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MtEverest
Its letters like this that warrant an immediate recall to various members, they will not fight for us in future negotiations, they have weakened our position enough already :

Fellow 108 Pilots,
The voting window for the Contact 2015 tentative agreement closed this afternoon. The agreement was rejected by the Delta pilots by a vote of 35% in favor to 65% against. Results by council are not yet available.

What happens now?
We remain in Section 6 negotiations, and we will eventually get a different agreement. For the new agreement to be better than the agreement that was just rejected, it will presumably have to be a superior agreement and make up for the lost gains associated with the delay that will now ensue—including the $114 million in pay raises we were set to begin receiving 10 days ago. It is speculation to predict when a subsequent deal will occur and if it will be of sufficient value to warrant your support, but we are committed to doing whatever we can to achieve that agreement.

John and I have done our best not to speculate on what the future holds under a rejection scenario, but despite how some reps downplayed or dismissed the possibility during the ratification process, mediation may very well be in our future. The PWA states that “In the absence of an agreement by March 31, 2016, the parties agree to jointly petition the National Mediation Board for mediation services,” and many of us are also aware of Delta CEO Richard Anderson’s recent comment that “failure to ratify the agreement will lead to a very different and longer path that will not result in a better deal.”
We agree with MEC chairman Captain Mike Donatelli who recently wrote, “I do not fear mediation with the National Mediation Board (NMB); I’ve been there before. But I would be wrong to tell you that anything happens quickly in mediation where we lose control to a process designed to be deliberate, and slow.”

When John and I ran for our respective offices, we made a commitment to you. We told you that we would not pander and that we would tell you what you needed to hear, even if it was something you didn’t want to hear. We don’t fear mediation either, but neither do we relish the prospect. John and I hope to reach a timely agreement because we need to consider the potential arguments of both parties, should we enter mediation. Echoing what some reps have shared, in mediation, we might argue:

•The company is making record profits. They can afford to pay us what we want.
•We took Draconian pay cuts due to bankruptcy.
•We had our pensions terminated (or frozen).
•We are different and (somehow) better than our peers at other airlines.
•Our careers stagnated because of the change in mandatory retirement age.
•This is not about money. It’s about respect.
•We got “hurt” (or verb of your choosing) in the merger.
•We had pilots who were furloughed.
•We haven’t kept up with inflation.

Regardless of whether you agree with any, all, or none of these arguments, they all have one thing in common. Each can be preceded by the phrase “We deserve it because . . .”
When Linda Puchala, former chairman and current member of the NMB, was invited to speak to the Delta MEC as we prepared for negotiations, she explained that according to the NMB’s charter, “NMB programs provide an integrated labor-management dispute resolution process that effectively meets the agency’s statutory mandate to minimize work stoppages in the railroad and airline industries.” (Emphasis added). Put into laymen’s terms, she explained, “We don’t care what you think you deserve.”
Management would likely have a much simpler argument before the NMB. Their argument might be: “Distinguished members of the Board, we love our pilots. They are the best. In fact, last summer, six months before the amendable date, we reached an agreement that would have provided them with the highest pay rates in the history of aviation in this country, an industry-leading profit-sharing plan, and work rules that in aggregate were at or near the best in the industry. And they turned us down.”
It would be the NMB’s determination as to who was in the Board’s self-defined “zone of reasonableness.” We’ll leave it to you to determine the direction they would lean.
John and I made it clear that for a variety of reasons, we supported the rejected agreement, but the ultimate decision rested with the Delta pilots, and we respect the will of the pilot group. During the endgame of negotiations, we repeatedly asked our colleagues who opposed the agreement to provide us with a Plan B that would lead to a superior agreement. Repeatedly, we were met with silence, other than an eyebrow-raising suggestion that the Negotiating Committee go on vacation for a couple of weeks. We stand ready to work with our colleagues with a goal of reaching a better agreement in a timely manner, no matter how elusive that agreement may be. We are concerned, however, that the next move of some will not be toward a path of resolution, but instead toward a path of further division, which will include demands for resignation or recall attempts. That’s not the answer; it’s an excuse and would simply be an attempt to divert attention from the MEC’s own failures. We wholeheartedly support the MEC administration and each and every member of the Negotiating Committee.
Yet unwritten history will be the final arbiter of our collective decisions.
Respectfully,
Buzz and John

Buzz Hazzard
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John Wolf
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He gives "Buzz" a bad name....
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Old 07-10-2015, 10:17 PM
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That guy makes my skin crawl so glad CVG has a good FO rep to counter his B.S. Hope this CVG guys remove that buzzard.
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Old 07-11-2015, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
Not sure who you fly for, but I have never flown a trip where my pay was straight block. I'm probably 85/15 split between min avg daily credit and TAFB.
FNW/DAL pilot and a really good guy with a great sense of humor that's been around for a long time. Don't be a tool.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by poostain
That guy makes my skin crawl so glad CVG has a good FO rep to counter his B.S. Hope this CVG guys remove that buzzard.
That whole letter shows open contempt for the pilot membership and resigns us to years and years of fruitless mediation, but then finishes with some half-arsed explanation that he's the best person to represent us in further negotiations. Huh? Let me paraphrase -- "You're all stupid! I'm smart! We'll never get anything now! I'm clearly the best person to represent you."
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Old 07-11-2015, 11:33 AM
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I love this thread. It's awesome entertainment while I'm at work. I'm on page 95 right now, working my way up. Haha. This is my first post in this specific thread, so I'll have a few tools to nominate.

1st of all, me for reading every post in this thread (or trying to, at least).

2nd: My friend who just offered me 100 bucks to rent a C172 and do a National Anthem fly over of their semi pro football game.

3rd (old one): Myself again for flying a Piper Warrior single pilot with 150 hours into ORD. This one has a double tool factor. One for flying into ORD in a Piper Warrior, and two for thinking I was hot sh*t for the next two weeks cause I flew into ORD in a Warrior.
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Old 07-12-2015, 01:23 PM
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Old 07-12-2015, 02:56 PM
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Alas Shy that's the just the tip of the selfie-berg.

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Old 07-12-2015, 04:07 PM
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Hahahaaaaa
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