captjns

I'm an expat. Uniform standards is not even a questions. In fact, uniform standards is not a questions with the majority of overseas carriers. My fellow expats read and discuss the dribble on APC, and this is just one where the wine comes out of one's nasai. We even have to wear the dreaded hat. Oh the humanity. But the good new is no ear buds, no back packs, or the weird colored reflecting sun glasses with white rims.

SpeedyVagabond

Here we go again. The falling standards crowd back with their silly arguments against taking pride it what we do and being professional.

OneEyedMonster

Well, our president wears his jacket open most of the time and with a tie that is at least a few inches too long, on a good day.

Ironically a pilot could say "If its good enough for the most powerful person in the world, its good enough for me while in the CLE terminal"

Nothing makes me laugh more than people, on an anonymous forum, forever telling others how to be a professional. I probably have flown with 50 pilots in my career that look great walking down a terminal but are worthless on the flighdeck, the opposite is equally true with the guy who looks like a slob but is great at the job.

You nerds are really having a conversation about the bottom button on a uniform blazer. This takes type A controlling pilot to an entire new level.

WHACKMASTER

Exactly, and he also looks like an amateurish tool because of it. Amazing that a business man that's been so successful has no clue on how to properly dress himself. Now that he represents the American people someone needs to pull him aside and clue him in. It's embarrassing. (Yes, I voted for him but not because of his "polished" look).

LNL76

I'm painfully aware of foreign crews and how perfect they always look (and behave in view of pax and other crews). It doesn't matter if they're a major international carrier or a low-cost regional in a small country, the results are always the same.

NeverHome

Ah yes, because a uniform piece draped on a rollabag looks waaaaay better (more professional).

Funny thing about looking amateurish. So many times while on the line I see airliners do ameteurish stuff all the time. I really dont know how these guys look in uniform, but thats not the point. Looks are onething. How you operate your metal is where it counts. Sure its nice to see crisp young airmen in the terminal. But how they do busines is way more important (you know, where lives matter).

Also I do look professional in my uniform. But keep in mind beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Im authorized to leave my cowl flaps open so I will. Nothing unprofessional there. Also nobody has provided one document showing professional pilot defined (at least to include buttons). So basically what I am saying is this. If somebody wants to call me unprofessional for not buttoning my jacket then I will only respond with 3 questions.
1) What airline do you think I work for?
2) Do you know my company standards?
3) What leg do you think you have to stand on telling me what is right and wrong?

Fail to answer any of those and I will write you off as some joker who thinks he is Gods gift to airlines. Oh and I will tell you as much. Provide credible support however and I will listen and take note. But just saying it "looks unprofessional" is bull and highly subjective. We operate aircraft on facts not subjective bull.

Give me a solid fact and I promise I will listen and change my wicked ways. Otherwise all this banter on a forum is pure amusement.

OneEyedMonster

Uh, first time on the forums? Everyone is here to tell one another what they should do and will do in order to achieve the subjective "professional" label.

They will tell you the proper weight, hair, jacket, button posture, bag, backpack fails, sun glasses, lanyards etc...everything you need to know is right here.

Joking aside, I agree on everything you said. I wish more could grasp this simple logic.

Out West

Directly from the "sh!t I didn't think you should have to be told" file.

Some clown in uniform at DFW last Sunday was walking around with earbuds hanging out of his ears wired down to his pockets. I got $5 that says he's on here somewhere *****ing about low pay...while whatever it may be is well more than his appearance demands.

LNL76

I'm willing to bet I can guess within 5 years how old the different players on here are! (of course, there are probably some exceptions, but for the most part it's easy to figure out.)

Out West

I would tend to agree.

Those that are old enough to be from when parents taught their children how to behave in public and how to be a lady or gentlemen.

And then everyone who got a trophy because their parents lied to them about how special they are.