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jungle 08-15-2012 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1246388)
Jungle:

Spot-on. If money was to be made from solar farms, there would be scads of them.

I was stationed in Germany from 1988-94. Low-fly rules were pretty liberal then (or should I call that 'Conservative?') back then, as we could go just about anyplace at 500 ft and 480-540 kts.

We had to climb to 1500 feet over cities of a certain size, I think it was 2500 over airports, and three or four thousand over nuclear power plants.

There were a LOT of nukes. France had even more. Seemed to work fine...never in the news. And skies were clear....no smog from coal-fired electric plants.

And now, all of Western Europe is abandoning them. I see two possibilities:

1. It's cheaper to go to coal.

2. It's cheaper (politically) to go to coal and avoid nuclear protesters.

The protesters seem to avoid an inconvenient truth: ALL forms of energy production scar the planet. Man's very existence scars the planet.

France gets about 80% of their energy from nuclear power, an outstanding figure in world production.

Thorium gentlemen, the way of the future. Forget windmills and solar because they can never even begin to produce the power required.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium_fuel_cycle

jungle 08-15-2012 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1246422)

A cat always lands on it's feet and toast always lands on the butter. Why didn't we discover this earlier?

Wizard, brilliant, cheers!

JamesNoBrakes 08-15-2012 09:30 PM

Well, to be fair, I won't just dismiss them because I don't like them. I'll carefully consider whether or not they will improve value, be worth it, etc. In a lot of cases, they work great. If you did the same thing 10 years ago, you wouldn't "break even" until a long time after, now we can do it in 20yrs or less, which boosts the value of the home significantly, for selling later, etc. Wind won't work everywhere or be practical in every situation, but if there is an alternative that will pay off in a reasonable amount of time (20yrs or less) I'd jump on it, it adds significant value to the house. The technology is getting better. Again, it won't work for every situation, but for some it will. I think some people in this thread are too influenced by the fact that they don't like it, hence one case-study situation.

jungle 08-15-2012 09:40 PM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1246443)
Well, to be fair, I won't just dismiss them because I don't like them. I'll carefully consider whether or not they will improve value, be worth it, etc. In a lot of cases, they work great. If you did the same thing 10 years ago, you wouldn't "break even" until a long time after, now we can do it in 20yrs or less, which boosts the value of the home significantly, for selling later, etc. Wind won't work everywhere or be practical in every situation, but if there is an alternative that will pay off in a reasonable amount of time (20yrs or less) I'd jump on it, it adds significant value to the house. The technology is getting better. Again, it won't work for every situation, but for some it will. I think some people in this thread are too influenced by the fact that they don't like it, hence one case-study situation.

Please show us your case study son. I am open to anything you might possibly prove.

In the meantime, remember "Brawndo's got what plants crave".

Idiocracy - Brawndo - YouTube

FDXLAG 08-16-2012 04:48 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 1246443)
Well, to be fair, I won't just dismiss them because I don't like them. I'll carefully consider whether or not they will improve value, be worth it, etc. In a lot of cases, they work great. If you did the same thing 10 years ago, you wouldn't "break even" until a long time after, now we can do it in 20yrs or less, which boosts the value of the home significantly, for selling later, etc. Wind won't work everywhere or be practical in every situation, but if there is an alternative that will pay off in a reasonable amount of time (20yrs or less) I'd jump on it, it adds significant value to the house. The technology is getting better. Again, it won't work for every situation, but for some it will. I think some people in this thread are too influenced by the fact that they don't like it, hence one case-study situation.

You seem to think the issue is there are thousands of well groomed, polite, clean and hard working protesters chained to the wind mill factory demanding they cease production. Not happening. The only coercion is on your side both for whatever the latest fad is and against what actually works. BTW that does not mean you are for All of the Above.

FDXLAG 08-16-2012 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by N2264J (Post 1246244)
It's official. July turned out to be the hottest month on record.

Oh no, we must be doing something wrong. Here I found it:

CO2 emissions in U.S. drop to 20-year low - Washington Times

We best start pumping out that CO2 or we will be fried by January.

UAL T38 Phlyer 08-16-2012 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by jungle (Post 1246442)
A cat always lands on it's feet and toast always lands on the butter. Why didn't we discover this earlier?

Wizard, brilliant, cheers!

What happens if you put butter on a cat's back and drop it?

jungle 08-16-2012 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 1246738)
What happens if you put butter on a cat's back and drop it?

I think Fermi wrote a paper on this in 1922, the cat will land on his feet and then wallow on the most expensive thing you own.

For this to work, the toast and butter must have the same mass as the cat.

tomgoodman 08-16-2012 04:10 PM

Schrodinger's cat bit him, and I don't blame it. :mad:

Schrödinger's Cat - YouTube

jungle 08-16-2012 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1246807)
Schrodinger's cat bit him, and I don't blame it. :mad:

Schrödinger's Cat - YouTube

Schrodinger's cat is a whole 'nother animal. It does seem to be getting a lot of comment lately as outside and detatched observers view the experiment. It seems the experiment is going horribly wrong and some see that; some think it is going very well.

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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