ToiletDuck

Coal to oil. Happening in a state near you!

ToiletDuck

I'd just like to point out water doesn't absorb the sun like that. It's the particles in the water and the bottom. Hence why muddy water is always warmer.

Warmer oceans only mean warmer oceans. It's the contrast that makes the difference.

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This doesn't belong in Majors for any reason

ryane946

Sorry FDXLAG, I owe you an apology. I didn't catch the sarcasm. My bad. It just sounded like such a strange comment I had to go off.
Global warming is for real. I am glad you recognize that. Maybe not world priority #1, but certainly something that MUST be delt with in the near future.
Sorry, I apologize.

duffrick

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Jungle, you are absolutely right. For every 1000 environmental scientists who says that the latest global warming trend is largely caused by humans, there is that one scientist who have a different opinion. Since your opinion is validated by that scientist, surely he/she must be correct.

It is also interesting to know (and any tobacco lawyer will back me up on this one) that there is no direct link between smoking and lung cancer/heart disease. That is a fact! Unfortunately, people who contract these diseases are disproportionately smokers. Go figure!

I agree with you (seriously) that it is basically un-american to socio-tax Exxon for making a 40 billion dollar profit. What bothers me is that these oil companies get huge government subsidies, all while the airline industry has the highest taxburden of any industry or sector in the country, even more than cigarettes and alcohol. I am sorry, but a company making a 40 billion dollar profit should not get any government subsidies, period.

flyerNy

Wow is that a joke? There is no direct link between Lung Cancer and Smoking? That is news to me and I am sure also to the entire scientific community that proved otherwise over fifty years ago but I guess the Lawyers know what they are talking about..

We all know that Global Warming is real. I am sure that most scientists will agree that it is caused by a combination of factors. These may be things such as orbital wobbles, changes in solar output, varying amounts of contaminants in the atmosphere, changes in atmospheric chemistry, changes in ocean currents, changes in ocean chemistry, changes in Earth's energy (volcanic activity) and a variety of others, some of which may have yet to be discovered. Though there is a lot to be looked at, the one geologically "new" factor is the human factor.
It is interesting when you pick up any geology book and read the cyclical nature of global warming/cooling trends recorded in history. It seems that we have been in a warming trend for some time now and, strictly in my opinion as well as scientists I have discussed this with in the past, humans are at the very least accelerating the warming trend, which may be unstoppable to begin with.
It is obvious, however, that our overall abuse of this planet will surely have dire consequences that we will have to contend with which extend even beyond global warming issues.

FDXLAG

Let us ask them folks in upstate New York if a little global warming is a bad thing. If as you say it is unavoidable and unstopable the only sure fire way to adapt to it is with unbridaled Capitalism.

Lag

PS we dont all know it, there is a lot of evidence that we started a cooling trend around the turn of the century.

jungle

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Jungle, you are absolutely right. For every 1000 environmental scientists who says that the latest global warming trend is largely caused by humans, there is that one scientist who have a different opinion. Since your opinion is validated by that scientist, surely he/she must be correct.
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You didn't actually read my post,did you? The specific cause and effect is not fully understood.
We do know the Earth has gone through many cycles of heating and cooling long before man arrived.

Can you tell us the exact percentage of warming caused by man?

Can you tell us the exact percentage caused by solar cycles?

Can you tell us how much we can change any warming, how much it would cost, and what exact effect it will have?

Can you tell us what the predominant greenhouse gas is in our atmosphere?

Can you tell us why Mars is warming(here's a hint, it isn't because people are driving cars there)?

jungle

[QUOTE=duffrick;118198]I agree completely, and if you look at this chart you can see how little is spent on running the country and how much is spent "subsidizing" a large portion of the population in the US.

CargoBob

Go buy a houseboat and/or some mountain-top acreage in Colorado if you are certain Al "do as I say, not as I do" Gore is correct. Amazing how he, with his extravagent lifestyle, produces 5,798 times more green house gases than the average human on this planet.

Earth is 4.5 billion years old...we have been accurately measuring the weather for only 200 hundred years...Earth has gone through thousands of massive climate changes (have you seen "Ice Age, the Meltdown" much better and scientifically more accurate than Gore's flick).

I am a big time conservationist and commited recycler...I have planted more than 550 trees and only cut down a few--they got in the way of my pool and batting cages.

My truck produces more greenhouse gases than Dicaprio's hybrid, but his Gulfsteam flights across the country/Atlantic chasing p_ssy destroy the environment at a rate that would make even Al blush.

Lets all do our part to conserve, recycle, and look to technology to improve the environment--all stuff Bush is pushing. But please stop w/ the chicken little BS.

ryane946

Bob, I CHALLENGE you to see An Inconvenient Truth. Do you know why we know dinosaurs are 65 million years old??? Something called Carbon 14 dating. Do you know why we know rainfall from hundreds of years ago. We cut open a huge tree that has been around for several hundred years, and we look at the rings. Larger rings, more rain. You have heard of all of these right??? Well we can also ACCURATELY know CO2 levels by looking at the polar ice caps. There is a great piece in An Inconvenient Truth where they hold up a piece of ice that is half discolored and half more clear looking, and they say "This is when the United States congress passed the clean air act!"

Bob, science is an amazing field. We don't just make up/hypothesize the age of the earth, the age of species, temperatures from thousands of years ago, CO2 levels from thousands of years ago.... We know them.
Everyone should recycle. I commend you for recycling, and I commend you for planting trees. Do yourself a favor and just see the movie! I CHALLENGE you.

I CHALLENGE you to see An Inconvenient Truth Jungle. I really do. There is a great part where graphs show Temperature of the Earth and CO2 levels in the atmosphere over the past seven ice ages (over 100,000 years). Yes, warming and cooling is a natural cycle. As CO2 levels go up, so does temperature. When CO2 levels went down, so does temperature. They are directly proportional, and EVERYONE knows this.

SEVEN ice ages went by, and the graph went up or down about 2 feet on the screen. CO2 levels in PPM (parts per million) changed between about 250 and 300. 250 was an ice age. 300 was the warmest EVER seen. In 2000, that number off the chart. Literally, Gore used an elevator to go about 15ft off the ground where the line on the graph went. CO2 PPM exceeded 450, and it is expected to crack 600 by 2050.
If the difference between 250 and 300 is "A mile of ice over your head," what is the difference between 300 and 450 on the warm side? Or 300 and 600!!!

I don't have enough time to regurgetate everything that An Inconvenient Truth will tell you. I CHALLENGE you to see it jungle. I CHALLENGE you. No man turns down a challenge.
After you've seen it, lets have a debate on climate change.

Until then, I will leave you with this. I live in the most environmentally beautiful climate in the world (California). I don't want to see it destroyed. I guess you live somewhere where you don't have as much respect for the environment as I do. That is too bad. Maybe you need to move to one of these places (California, Colorado, Alaska...).