iceman49

http://mashable.com/2016/01/05/klm-f.../#3sbbpxJSeEqo

Airhoss

You can live in fear of this stuff or you can train to deal with it. Your choice.

iceman49

yeeeah, that why i put it on here!

sourdough44

I handcuffed a deviant a number of years ago in the cabin. There was a guy holding him that was on par with the Hulk. He could of held 10 guys down.

Airhoss

Insecure often?

Packrat

Too bad there wasn't an FFDO to come out and blast him.

Airhoss

FFDO's blowing passengers away? Sorry but it doesn't work that like that. But in any case when I mention training, I'm not talking about going all "Lucas McCain" on the idiot. I'm talking about knowing how to defend yourself and deescalate a situation. Pilots for some unknown reason, tend to think that they are tough and should command respect with their "awesome" authority. They tend to think that their mere presence will cause a loudmouth idiot to wilt when they appear on the scene. They also tend to approach a potentially bad situation with hands down, chest out, and chin held high, all of which are not the right things to do in a possible physical altercation. When idiot boy doesn't respect your authority, make sure that you have a plan in place. Hint, bring helpers and know enough basic self defense to not get hurt.

Knowing how to program an FMC does not in fact make one a hardened street fighting machine (a shocking revelation for some, I know). If you are interested in learning basic self defense go to a Krav Maga school and learn the level one basics. Wrist releases, choke defense, basic strike blocks and take down defense. While you will still not be kicking anybodies butt in the octagon, you'll be light years ahead of the vast majority of people in your ability to come out of an altercation unharmed. It would take about 1 to 2 months of training 2 to 3 days a week to become proficient at the basics I've mentioned.

If you are an FFDO and the only defensive tactics training you've done is what the program has taught you. You are not even close to being prepared to handle a physical altercation. That stuff is minimal, watered down and dangerously ineffective.

If anybody is interested in doing some training drop me a PM, I can try and point you in the right direction in your local area. I've been a Krav Maga Alliance certified instructor for 6 years and am also a certified KMA Force, law enforcement instructor.

For what it's worth, take it or leave it.

cardiomd

I do believe Packrat was being sarcastic!

What Airhoss elaborates is the position that all intelligent people should have. The desire of a few pilots to "pack heat" fits into the "awesome authority" mindset that you describe with ridiculously improbable legitimate use scenarios.

A few years ago a local EMT company wanted to allow their paramedics to carry guns as they "go into the ghetto" and face "difficult people." It was not approved and guns were banned. Just far too much that can go wrong, and they need to focus on the task at hand, and not a mentality you want a healer to think about reaching for a weapon instead of taking alternate decision paths. On the other hand I'd be in favor of defensive training for all people that potentially interact with disturbed people (or perhaps even the public.)

Airhoss

I am not anti FFDO. I participated in the program for ten years. My only comment towards the FFDO program was that their defensive tactics training is woefully inadequate. But then again most police departments have pitiful DT training and many cops lack the desire to properly train in DT.

Maddogflier

Do you have even a clue how the FFDO program works?