Airline profiles section
 

Wow. The new update is terrible. You should definitely change it back. :( I'm fairly certain second year pay at American is not $28 on the 737 and A320. Might want to fix that...

I agree, the layout and graphics are terrible

While we are the subject why are there some regionals in the majors section and others are not? I know it might have to do with the dot rules for being a major but I think it would be better for everyone if they were all in the same category by airline type.

Hmmm... Yeah editing needed to be a bit more thurough. VX flys A310's?

I believe it has nothing to do with what we perceive to be a regional - aircraft type, pilot experience level, etc.

It is "US term for an air carrier with annual operating revenue below $100 million."

The U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) has categorized airlines based on their annual revenues into three groups: major, national, and regional/commuter. Major airlines have more than $1 billion in annual revenues. This category once included Eastern, Pan Am, Northwest Airlines, Continental, Republic, America West, and Trans World Airlines (TWA). By the early 1990s, many of these companies were in some form of bankruptcy or had shut down operations. The result of these and other closings was the consolidation of assets among the three strongest majors: American Airlines, Delta, and United. New to this category was Southwest Airlines, formerly a national airline, which offered short-haul, point-to-point service with few amenities.

Airlines with annual revenue of $100 million to $1 billion are generally classified as national airlines. Although this category is called "national," the name is not based on geographic boundaries, as only a small number of carriers actually have nationwide routes.

A carrier with less than $100 million in annual revenue is classified as a regional/commuter airline. Some of the top regional carriers during the middle of the first decade of the 2000s were American Eagle, Sky West, Express Jet, and US Airways. While the major airlines struggled, regional carriers fared better during the first half of the 2000s, growing at about twice the rate of the national carriers. By 2011 the Regional Airline Association (RAA) reported that there were about 13,000 regional airline flights per day, and regional airlines were operating more than half of the nation's commercial schedule.

http://business.highbeam.com/industr...tion-scheduled

I agree...the old layout was leaps and bounds better.

Regional/major aren't the terms we should be using here.

It should be outsourced/not-outsourced.

How about mainline and small jet providers.
Since most of the regionals do not have their own route structure.

Our pay rates that are listed are obsolete. Prior to the change I sent an update that is not incorporated in the new site. I tried to send an update, but get error messages. So, it won't allow me to communicate the corrections.

I vote for whatever system lets me see the current US Air rates.

I feel better about my life as a hopelessly stagnated middle age reserve narrowbody FO loser who drives a 300,000 mile Ford Ranger, is starting to get gray hair and still has a laptop with Windows XP when at least I can see that I earn more than my counterpart in the left seat of similar equipment does at US Air.

This web site could be informative, or it could be cathartic. c

If it aint' broke, don't fix it.

The old layout was good. The new layout is not.

I'm not sure who does updates, but if more time was spent actually updating the airline profiles, and less time on the graphics and layout, this site would be better off.

The info on many of the airlines is out of date - and that's the one's that were 'recently updated'!:eek:

Airline profiles section
 

Years ago they always had the latest information. Not so much anymore. Pinnacle changed to Endeavor over a month ago and they haven't updated it.

I am not a fan of the new layout either. But since this websight is free, I won't act like a butt-hurt paying customer over it.

(not directed at anyone here, by the way)

MODS
 

If the user base can let the site admins know specifically what works and what does not, perhaps they could incorporate that into a new look/feel.

From what I culled:

Content more important than beauty (may apply to wives/husbands too)

From my uneducated general aviation view, I could not discern much of a difference, content wise. I do have adblock installed, so that may help. I did not like having to scroll left/right to see the full pay tables.

New layout is not good, plain and simple.

Also, Regionals should be Regionals. We all know who is a regional and who is a major. I dont think it matters to anyone what the DOT says about revenue and classification.

SkyWest, Republic, XJet, Eagle are not Majors/National/LCC. Here is a rule of thumb, if the airline is discussed in the Regional Forum, its a regional.

How much of an ego does someone have to require their airline be listed as a "major" simply because their regional is so large that it is classified as a major by the government. Come on...

I also prefer the pay rates listed the old way (in order of pay, highest to lowest by seat position). However, I do like the new pay calculator.

Here are the corrections to the Spirit pay as of 8/1/13:

Captain Pay Rates
Aug'13 Aug'14
99.62 101.62
119.49 121.88
124.04 126.52
128.78 131.35
133.68 136.35
138.78 141.56
143.73 146.60
147.73 150.68
152.15 155.20
156.72 159.86
161.43 164.65
166.27 169.60
171.25 174.67
176.40 179.93
181.68 185.32

First Officer Pay Rates
Aug'13 Aug'14
38.50 38.50
70.63 72.05
76.21 77.73
82.22 83.86
88.19 89.96
93.57 95.44
97.97 99.93
101.16 103.19
104.13 106.21
107.13 109.27

Y'all need to call up CleeIB and tell him to fix this nonsense. APC is an awesome site, I'd hate to see Internet Brands go and screw it up.

IB is listening, please excuse our dust
 

Thank you everyone for the feedback, even the negative comments, since that’s part of the messy process of getting it right. Hopefully my responses clear up some of the concerns and questions, plus a little insight into what we are trying to do:

+ A little background on the redesign and why it was needed: the original airline profiles were built on a very old content management system (“CMS”) that is now obsolete and had to be retired to be compatible with today’s internet standards and user behavior.

+ While switching to a new CMS platform, we felt it was time to modernize the design to make it easier to find the information (e.g. ability to search for a specific airline profile) while still keeping the structure and actual content exactly the same as the old site.

+ We apologize for any typos or incorrect data that made it into the payscales or profiles during the transition; we had to manually enter the payscale data into the database and clearly some human error occurred in the process. We are cleaning up the errors right now and we appreciate all of you who have submitted updated information via emails and the "have an update" form; please continue to do so!

+ Thank you crewdawg for pointing out that the payscales are now listed left to right alphabetically by equipment type instead of banded by highest pay rate; we are working to fix that right now.

+ A look ahead: In the near future we will consolidate the Airline Pilot Central brand by unifying the site header (the very top of the page) across the forum and profiles, but the overall forum layout and functionality will not change. Also, now that we have the payscale, equipment and domicile data in a database, we can build enhanced searching and analysis tools for you to use e.g. search for highest pay rate for a specific equipment type, or all the airlines that fly 777s. We are working on this now and welcome any suggestions for useful and helpful search tools.

We hope you all will continue to use AirlinePilotCentral as a resource for hiring/pay information, articles (new ones will be published more regularly) and other helpful resources.

Most importantly, the site is only as strong as the contributions from you, so please keep the submissions and suggestions coming in. Thank you.

-Steve (aka Gilbola aka the product/business guy @ IB)

There are two new options for folks to vote on previous feedback and leave new additional commentary about the redesign of the airline profiles section:

1) On the main page, click once on the "Give Feedback" flyout tab on the right side of the screen to bring up a feedback form.

2) Go to the web address https://airlinepilotcentral.uservoic...221225-general and leave feedback there.

payscales fixed and other news
 

Hey Everyone,

Last week we rolled out a few fixes to our redesigned airline profiles, most notably the payscales are listed in order of highest paying airframes on the left. All reported typos have been addressed and we've been updating payscales as well. We also modified the layout of lists (e.g. domiciles, fleet) to be vertical when possible. More good things to come.

We really do appreciate the feedback and the submissions, keep em coming.

Thanks.

-Steve

the us airways site is all messed up. Also the pay isn't accurate, those aren't the current pay rates.

Thanks, I will take a look. I notice some of the payscale info is missing but can you elaborate on "messed up" because other than that it looks ok to me.

The pay is part of the mou that isn't effective yet and may never well be.

OK, thanks for clarifying. We've updated the pay recently to reflect the most recent submission from one of our contributors who works at the airline. Hopefully it does reflect the real payscale as it is today but we'll confirm with him.