How long from the AirlineApp to Email?
 

Looking at the time frame from submitting the app to an email for the next step: Major and Regional. Any recent information?

Entirely dependent on both your own qualifications and the hiring needs of whoever you applied to.

How could it be otherwise?

Should have been clearer...
ie Delta: actively hiring, meet qualification minimums - have people received a response in a week, month... after hitting submit application.

Anyone with recent time frame info from hitting submit and what we’re your quals?

Thanks

Meeting Deltas minimums and actually getting called are two very different things.

you can expect an email sometime between two weeks and never.

seriously...there’s no true way to answer this question. So many variables.

Not app to email, but interview to job offer
 

First time caller, my question is about timelines with regards to new hires. I'm currently on active duty and have been doing some future planning with the family. My question is how far out will an airline offer a potential hire a job offer? (assuming minimum requirements met, interview and the application process was smooth).

For example, let's say I leave active duty in December, and am available to start January. How far back in the year would I know I have a job? I know it would be different for each airline.

Specifically, timelines for the following:

United
American
Delta
Southwest

Any help is appreciated, Thanks!

Are you hypothetically talking this winter? None of those airlines are likely to interview in 2021, possibly into 2022.

Construct your apps as early as possible. AirlineApps (United and Delta) takes a VERY long time. PilotCredentials (AA and SWA) a little less so. After you get those put together, have no less than three friends review each of them and then have them reviewed by Checked and Set. Then publish them. It doesn’t matter if it’s 8-12 months before your availability date. Publish them and update them every week or three. What you really want to know is when do you want friends to launch silver bullets.

Don’t launch them until hiring starts again, and if hiring has started, no more than 6 months before your availability date.

Good luck. If you haven’t noticed, the industry is in the ****ter. Those companies aren’t hiring in 2021. Something might start to come alive in spring ‘22.

My prediction is hiring off the street, military and civilian will not begin in earnest until 2023 or maybe a year later. Then, the hiring curve will take off again.

So far, I am amazed how well the furloughing and Regionals closures have held up.

Reviving the thread now that hiring started again. How long between "Publish" and getting a call say from United? Also, for those called, what times/credentials were you called with?

Anywhere from two weeks to never.

Now if we assume that your current qualifications are right in the ten ring of their current sweet-spot, and that they're actively interviewing maybe two weeks to two months. But of course nobody is certain just yet what the ten ring looks like post covid, although their diversity campaign might provide a hint. Safe to assume the competitive quals are much greater than minimums.

There are threads in the UAL forum discussing hiring/interview.

Most people who succeed in getting to a major apply to most of them, ie shotgun approach, and take the first job offered. Exception would be if the geography simply won't work you. It's not like the regionals, they pick you you don't pick them.

I find this info extremely useful for applicants so I'll start with my data point.

1501 total time, 1400 TT, 1300 MEL, 500 PIC. Submitted to all majors 3/6/22. Nothing yet but will update.

Someone who got an email recently, what were your hours?

9000 hours.

What am I not understanding here?
You started flying ME exclusively when you had 100 hrs? 200? Then upgraded 500 hrs later?
You military?

Yes, is that not uncommon with the UPT T-1 route? Regardless, seems like I still have some work to do.

Ah, thanks.
I’m easily confused lol.

For mil it depends on airframe.

1500 tactical is probably going to get called soon. Heavies, would normally need more time, but right now I'm guessing they're grabbing any mil they can get.

Trying to predict if and when you'll get a call is tricky these days, as each company has it's own timeline, process, priorities, etc. And these change from month to month. The traditional "hours stats" don't really work anymore, as long as you meet the required company minimums. Things like regional background, military experience are becoming more important than the traditional flight hour metrics.

As an example, on military forums, I'm seeing more and more guys with significant helicopter time getting invites directly to the majors, which wasn't always the case.

My point is, it's harder to crack the code on what these companies are hiring against. The good news is, they are currently hiring in droves. The best you can you do is to put yourself in the best position to get hired by your target companies. I recommend having someone look at your resume and applications, whether it's someone who has gone through the process or looking into a paid service. Take time to assess your history weaknesses and be ready to discuss them or answer them in your application in a way your target company will receive favorably.

But I digress.

To answer your original post:
Applied to 3 majors - received invites from 2 within 1-3 weeks of posting.
7450 Total
7420 Turbine
7330 ME
3600 PIC

These numbers probably don't help your analysis, but I've been anecdotally seeing plenty of folks with your experience getting the call.

Get as many eyes on your resume and apps as you can to make sure you're not missing something. If you're still waiting, attend aviation conferences and talk to recruiting teams.

Keep your apps up to date, and you'll probably get the call if you haven't already.

This may be a different question from what was originally asked, but I am wondering how far out a given carrier is willing to hire/offer? Are they willing to offer a contract two years out? It seems unlikely, but I would imagine that they would like to forecast as much as possible.

It only took about four days from application to phone interview with Spirit for me.

No. They want the interview to assess your current and up-to-date qualifications. Not hire somebody based on years-old info.

Typically for mil you can publish an app whenever as long as you accurately indicate your availability. You can start class on term leave, so your avail date could be after your expected term leave start date. Typically it seems they'll interview mil six months out.

Also airlines do not give "contracts" to individual pilots, they just hire you and that's in no way binding on either party. You can no-show the class date with no notice (not recommended), and they can canx the class date with one days notice (they did that when covid started). They can also furlough you out of new-hire ground school and that's happened before too. Airlines are known to hire right up until the very day they start furloughs. If you actually show up on day one of ground school, you get a permanent seniority number, even if they furlough you before lunch on the same day.

Airlines tend not to think that far ahead lol. That's how we got in this mess to begin with.

My background…mil guy, flying heavies, about to retire next summer. My availability date is early April 2023. Went live on my UA & SWA apps on 1 March 22. Haven’t heard anything from UA yet, but have with SWA with an interview this month. (So about 9 months out). We have guys in our unit though who have CJOs from AA, and aren’t available until summer of 2023.

5200 hours
3200 TPIC