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Old 02-15-2015, 12:25 PM   #21  
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There's a guy over on PPRUNE, con-pilot, surprisingly enough, that flew the Boeing there-7,000 hours in 10 years during the '90s.

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I see what you did there... lol

Thanks again for the info, USMC! It is much appreciated.

As for the type requirement-- I've applied the last two openings with a B-737 PIC type rating.. never heard a word. Then again, I also do not have any 121 or actual 737 time, just have the type from HigherPower...

Maybe third times a charm?!
GF mentioned in an earlier post in this thread about the Vet's points.
When you are not hearing anything back - do you mean that there is actually no contact or do you mean that you are getting the 'non-referred' reply in the mail?

I don't know about the entire system for the JPATS positions, but if it is like our's, you should be getting a reply in the mail that either informs you that you were/were not referred to the hiring board. Absolutely no reply would raise concerns in my head that my application was not properly received/processed.
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I didn't know USMS had any actual federal pilot employee's (GS-2181, etc) doing JPATS anymore. I thought it was all contracted out.
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I didn't know USMS had any actual federal pilot employee's (GS-2181, etc) doing JPATS anymore. I thought it was all contracted out.
He did talk about the Hawkers going away and some of the other contracted out work - like the ICE flights; but no.....full up federal employees flying the 737s out of OKC.
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GF mentioned in an earlier post in this thread about the Vet's points.
When you are not hearing anything back - do you mean that there is actually no contact or do you mean that you are getting the 'non-referred' reply in the mail?
Ah! I missed GF's post about the points. Interesting...

I should clarify-- I have gotten the 'non-referred' email the past two openings. Granted, I have no Veteran points to apply, so this may be a long shot for me anyways.

I guess I'll keep trying until they say stop though!

Thanks again for your insight, sir!
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He did talk about the Hawkers going away and some of the other contracted out work - like the ICE flights; but no.....full up federal employees flying the 737s out of OKC.
OK thank you
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Any mention on how many hours a year they fly?
According to instructors I've had in OKC, they run the flight operation like a Part 135, so duty hours, etc. I don't know how much truth there is to that, but they sounded like the operation was pretty tight, unlike some government flight operations (usually state flight departments) that can leave a lot to be desired.
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Great info, Thanks.

FTC is Federal Transfer Center at OKC. I know people who process the inmates there and they do report on some Saturdays. No biggie, if its OT. I didn't know salaried GS received overtime.

Sounds like the job has its pros and "cons". But for the pay and time off, I'll stick with the airlines... for now.
GS-13 and below are non-exempt employees and required to receive overtime pay. GS-14 and above are exempt due to labor laws (basically, they earn more than 100K), so they usually receive comp time. This ends up being a pretty nice deal if you like doing things, taking vacations, etc. GS-14s can and do receive overtime for certain things, but it's rare, compared to 13 and below. GS aren't "salaried" in the way that you'd think, hours are tracked exactly and you are paid by the hour, just guaranteed 40hrs/week at least. During the furlough, there was no pay and it was not set in stone if people were going to get paid. They got paid because an act of congress authorized pay for that time, not because they are "salaried". The year before, a few people were forced to take some furlough days and they never got paid. The benefit is there are some pretty decent rules in terms of what they can and can't tell you to work and how you get compensated for it. You generally aren't taking work home or being forced to show up, start working, and then only get paid when the "engines are turning", at least that's been my experience with the labor laws and compensation.
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GS-13 and below are non-exempt employees and required to receive overtime pay. GS-14 and above are exempt due to labor laws (basically, they earn more than 100K), so they usually receive comp time. This ends up being a pretty nice deal if you like doing things, taking vacations, etc. GS-14s can and do receive overtime for certain things, but it's rare, compared to 13 and below. GS aren't "salaried" in the way that you'd think, hours are tracked exactly and you are paid by the hour, just guaranteed 40hrs/week at least. During the furlough, there was no pay and it was not set in stone if people were going to get paid. They got paid because an act of congress authorized pay for that time, not because they are "salaried". The year before, a few people were forced to take some furlough days and they never got paid. The benefit is there are some pretty decent rules in terms of what they can and can't tell you to work and how you get compensated for it. You generally aren't taking work home or being forced to show up, start working, and then only get paid when the "engines are turning", at least that's been my experience with the labor laws and compensation.
JNB is generally correct, but much depends on your CBA.
In my organization, GS-14s are non-exempt employees.
Our managers (GS-15 and/or pay banded) are exempted employees and do not get OT.
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Current GS13 with US Customs (AMO)
4200TT / 1200 TPIC
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Applied to both the USAJOBS announcements on the closing date of 4/19/16.

Phone interview 5/4/16; Interview invite 5/6/16. Interviews are May 23/24 in Oklahoma City. No travel expense will be paid - option to phone interview or in person.

JPATS is a regularly scheduled govt airline for the US Marshals prisons, federal prisons, and some cross agency work & deportation flight might be included but not regular. Non law enforcement position; no LEAP; no creds or gun. Working a "1st 40" pay schedule meaning of you fly a 12 hr day on Monday you come to work for 4 hours Tuesday (or I am sure use earned leave, sick leave, etc) - amounting to about 3 days at the office each week. Flying a 737-400 with NG like cockpit and special equipment to allow LDA approaches, lower approach minimums, and discreet radio frequencies for communications.

Home just about every night, some PR layovers, some volunteer weekeend flying, over 260,000 passengers flown last year, fleet of 4(?) 737-400's based at Oklahoma City.

The goal is to get new pilots onboard asap, however the extensive background checks are an unknown in the hiring timeline - even noting current Federal Law Enforcement / Current Military TS/SCI - USMS and OPM will do their own complete investigation. As session program is direct to the USMS Office in OKC, off to vendor training in Dallas or Miami, IOE, and start flying the line....no FLETC, Spanish Academy, NATC, delays. Few additional duties for Safety, Pubs, Ops.
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