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calcapt 05-10-2006 10:50 AM

It's me
 

Originally Posted by greenDOG
Maybe it's unfortunate but at least we know the game, so start playing. Of the many countries I visit, the only thing that will get you what you want faster than knowing the right people is offering the right people the right amount of money. Anyone know how much it cost to get hired at CAL and who do I give the money to? hehe:D


Green Dog:

Since you have cracked the code, here is the answer. The hiring fee for a CAL FO is $28,543.90. The fact that same number equates to the sticker price of a new Toyota Prius is purely coincidental. This is the 737 fee. The 756 fee runs $4180 higher and the 777 will run you $38977.80. As soon as certified funds are received you will receive a letter of appreciation from me and if you staple that to your resume you should have access to the next class. Just show up the first Monday following receipt of my letter and tell the ground school instructors you have the Calcapt hiring and training exemption. You will then be scheduled for your IOE the following Thursday and issued all required manuals. You're right, It's not hard if you know how to play the game. If you ever find yourself in the Houston employee parking lot and see a brand new burgandy colored Prius there, It's probably mine. Be careful not to scratch it. If you don't want to pay that much for a job at CAL, I saw on Ebay today an FO job at Mesa for $1198.45 including an airport car and a Capt job at JetBlue for $5995.95 including free subway passes for a year. It really just comes down to what you want to fly, where you want to live and how soon you can scrape together the money. Good Luck! ;)

calcapt 05-10-2006 11:12 AM

Huh?
 

Originally Posted by wolferj
FREE FLYER
I totally disagree with you.in the States you have an opportunity to upgrade based on a seniority system. Then you demonstrate a nice circle to land and upgrade. to be a real PIC takes more than that.
Few times when I WAS the fo on the ERJ I had to act as the Cpt. Why? because the guy on the left seat never took action during a RA. Because while loosing Hyd fluid I had to make the decision of declaring an emergency after the Cpt. asked me on what we should do. just to name few..
Now can you imagine CAl hires let's say, someone with 3000 TT 2000 sic RJ and this individual has, like you said, " NO IDEA" on what's going on. I think if you seat for 2000 hrs in any seat and have no idea... then you have bigger problems
Even as an FO if you know your job and take it seriously, you can be very effective.


Hey are you talking about me? I don't remember ever flying with you? By the way, it wasn't an RA, it was a "too low terrain" warning. I knew what to do with the hydraulics, I was just about done with the crossword and would of been all over that leaky SOB within minutes. In the good old days we didn't need computers or pushy FO's telling us what to do. And don't talk to me about bigger problems. My wife Bertie at 340 pounds has already lost 56 pounds in three days. Granted, some of it could of been her shaving her legs and taking a bath, but hey, the little woman is off to a great start. Is the checklist complete and the walkaround done Mr. Bust my chops?

wolferj 05-10-2006 11:30 AM

LOL.good one man lol

calcapt 05-31-2006 10:32 PM

Just a rumor
 

Originally Posted by gatesandwindows

Indian private Airline Calling Captains on Embraer 170/190 with min PIC 500 Hrs ATPL



I have heard they have a great flow through agreement with 7-11. Sorry Lord, that wasn't right..:rolleyes:

rightseater 06-01-2006 07:33 AM

lol thats hillarious

Browntail 06-01-2006 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by quaileman
there must be thousands of regional pilots with 3000+ PIC turbojet. its sad that in this industry you get to bypass them all with no PIC time just cause you know someone.

In every industry its who you know. That is why most companies will first interview folks with internal recs. That is the only way to move your app to the short stack. It's seldom the most qualified applicant that gets the job, you just have to meet the mins. Network, Network, Network!


Why do you think someone with more time is more qualified than someone with less time? Maybe the low time guy went to have some specific training done that makes him more desirable? I highly recommend for high time guys without any big jet time to make them more marketable to think about going to Jet University. That way you can get valuable 727 time that is highly sought after by the majors. It worked for me!


http://jetuniversity.com

Free Flyer 06-01-2006 09:27 AM

I couldn't agree more!
 

Originally Posted by wolferj
FREE FLYER
I totally disagree with you.in the States you have an opportunity to upgrade based on a seniority system. Then you demonstrate a nice circle to land and upgrade. to be a real PIC takes more than that.
Few times when I WAS the fo on the ERJ I had to act as the Cpt. Why? because the guy on the left seat never took action during a RA. Because while loosing Hyd fluid I had to make the decision of declaring an emergency after the Cpt. asked me on what we should do. just to name few..
Now can you imagine CAl hires let's say, someone with 3000 TT 2000 sic RJ and this individual has, like you said, " NO IDEA" on what's going on. I think if you seat for 2000 hrs in any seat and have no idea... then you have bigger problems
Even as an FO if you know your job and take it seriously, you can be very effective.

First off wolferj, I'm sorry that you were put in that situation, but at the same time I'm glad that you knew what to do. The big key here is complacency and lack of overall knowledge of anything to do with aviation. So that I don't get called out for being a chump or anything, I won't mention any names, however I will tell you of one situation that occurred during a recent training event at CAL with a new hire that had 0 PIC time.

Would you ever go 320 knots away from your departure airport with a failed engine in a high terrain environment? Why not stay close so that you can come back in for a landing? Well, their logic was this. "I wanted to go fast to stay away from the mountains." Uhhh, last time I checked, your going to hit them quicker when your're doing 320 knots as compared to 210 knots? And this is the kind of people that are coming through that haven't had the overall experience, but they've got connections through fathers and management. That frankly scares the **** out of me and makes me even more cautious of my job so that if they're daydreaming, I can handle the situation.

That's what aviation is, you help each other out, but for crying out loud, have a clue! Ok, now I'm done ranting. So for you wolferj, I totally understand where you're coming from and I wasn't ripping on just FO's, because I've seen plenty of captains in my day that didn't know what they were doing. I'm just saying that it's very important for everyone to be aware of what's required and have a freaking plan! Fly safe!

Flyby1206 06-06-2006 01:02 PM

I understand the cause for concerns, but how is it different getting hired as an FO for a regional flying a 70-90 seat RJ and flying as an FO for a major flying a 737 (100-130seats)? There isnt as much of a gap between the regionals and majors as there used to be. It used to be B1900s and Saabs for the regionals and 757/747s for the big boys.

ShortBus_Driver 06-06-2006 11:31 PM


Originally Posted by calcapt
If you don't want to pay that much for a job at CAL, I saw on Ebay today an FO job at Mesa for $1198.45 including an airport car

hahaha, this is the funniest thing I've heard all week!


Originally Posted by calcapt
My wife Bertie at 340 pounds has already lost 56 pounds in three days. Granted, some of it could of been her shaving her legs and taking a bath, but hey, the little woman is off to a great start.

a little sense of humor goes a long way with this job...if you ever get tired of flying calcapt, you have a fall back plan as a stand-up

calcapt 06-09-2006 05:49 PM

If you can't laugh, especially at yourself, you will have a hard time putting up with this industry. I try not to take too much too seriously - except safety of course! I try not to be a comedian, I just think it helps from time to time to remind others that life goes better with a laugh and a smile now and then. Thanks for the kind post.


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