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hurricanechaser 11-19-2009 09:32 PM

FAA hiring Airspace System Inspection Pilot
 
I figure I post this link for anybody who is seriously considering flying for the FAA. I think this job requires flying King Airs. On the site it says there are many vacancies open throughout the nation and the application must be recieved before Nov 23, 2009. I don't meet their hourly requirements of 1500TT and 500 multi but I figure I pass it along. Just goes to show that there are jobs out there. I can imagine this being better than most pilot jobs out there. Good luck to whoever gets considered and if you get selected let me know as well, it would feel great to me knowing someone actually got hired from me passing some info along.

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usmc-sgt 11-20-2009 04:13 AM

FYI:

NOTES:
1) Duty Locations include: Atlanta, GA; Battle Creek, MI; Atlantic City, NJ; Sacramento, CA; and Oklahoma City, OK. Please indicate your preferred location(s) in your application. Applicants not indicating a preference will be considered for ALL locations.

Golden Bear 11-20-2009 07:45 AM

I have applied for this job the last three times it has been open and have spoken directly to the guys running the SMF and OKC offices about it.

Bottom line: Don't even bother applying unless you have prior MIL experience or are a Federal transfer. The veteran's preference and Fed transfer points put all those apps at the top of the list as is required by law.

One guy I spoke to who works there was an airline guy, got furloughed and went to work for the TSA. It was the only way he got his foot in the Federal door.

crewdawg 11-20-2009 09:28 AM

Anyone know what the schedule is like for this job? I hear there is alot of time spent on the road?

usmc-sgt 11-20-2009 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Golden Bear (Post 714785)
I have applied for this job the last three times it has been open and have spoken directly to the guys running the SMF and OKC offices about it.

Bottom line: Don't even bother applying unless you have prior MIL experience or are a Federal transfer. The veteran's preference and Fed transfer points put all those apps at the top of the list as is required by law.

One guy I spoke to who works there was an airline guy, got furloughed and went to work for the TSA. It was the only way he got his foot in the Federal door.

Its pure luck and right place at the right time.

We had a guy leave Colgan as an FO about a year or so ago for this job. He had I believe 1500-2000 hours and 500 or so multi with no military.

Golden Bear 11-20-2009 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by usmc-sgt (Post 714934)
Its pure luck and right place at the right time.

We had a guy leave Colgan as an FO about a year or so ago for this job. He had I believe 1500-2000 hours and 500 or so multi with no military.

I think that was the guy I spoke with who had worked previously for the TSA.

He posts on here so maybe he could chime in with his experience.

Clue32 11-21-2009 09:57 AM

I sent in my application for this on Thursday after a friend of mine stumbled upon it. A year ago I was in a refresher sim class with four of their pilots. One was from Battle Creek, one from Atlantic City, and two from Atlanta. They were all former military. They said all that they can get is former military hired on. And they all said that they were going to be hiring soon. Well, one year wasn't too long to wait as they talked the job up and got me excited about it.

As far as the schedule, they said they are typicall on the road Monday thru Thursday, then home for a week getting ready for the next job. The all loved the job and said I couldn't find a better government flying job, military or GS.

Hopefully this works out. They gave the the applicant the choice of sending in a resume or filling out their application form. I couldn't find a version of the form to type into so I settled for the resume route. The flight hour verification form was a beast. I think it took me an hour and a half to figure out my time in the format that the asked for.

USMCFLYR 11-21-2009 11:50 AM

I applied for this job too last week. Just waiting for the form to be returned indicating whether I met the minimum requirements (more than just flight time) or not and been moved on to the next step.

From my research, they do have a lot of former military, but not all. I've been talking to a few of the guys over the past year or more and they (my contacts) are a mix of former P121 guys and Army C-12.

Clue spoke of the time on the road. Your time on the road differs whether you are a SIC or PIC from my understanding. SIC spend less time on the road (fly less) and have more ground duties while the PIC are flying more (approx 70% from one report).

The major advantages of this job seem to be the pay and stability. This mission isn't going away in my estimation - it should be growing over time with the advent of more and more approaches. It seems that this is one of those jobs that people make into a career with very little turnover.

Concur with the application though. Mine ended up being 12 pages long and my community doesn't log time in the same manner as the supplemental application required, so it was quite the challenge to go back through ALL of the civilian and military logbooks to complete the form >whew<

There is at least one former P121 pilot who posts on APC though I haven't seen him active in some time. this thread title ought to catch his attention though if he still visits.

Good luck to all that might have applied and please keep everyone updated.

USMCFLYR

N6724G 11-21-2009 09:28 PM

When you say former military. Do youmean former military pilots. I mean I have 21 years as an Army Infantryman. I gte veterans preference for Federal jobs. But are they talking about military pilots or military ingeneral?

USN C9B 11-22-2009 05:55 AM

You would get the veterans preference points for the job and would be considered. Your experience as a pilot would be compared to the others who made the cut in the next step of the process.


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Cleco 11-22-2009 10:20 AM

Anyone know what model King Air they fly?

Golden Bear 11-22-2009 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Cleco (Post 715502)
Anyone know what model King Air they fly?

See below:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=fioo/index

MrPlow 11-22-2009 01:04 PM

As I work at YVR I sometimes get to see the Transport Canada version of this job. I don't know how it works in the States, but seeing the low level maneuvers these guys get to do in such busy airspace makes my mouth water. It looks like a very fun job, albeit most likely quite stressful at times.

USMCFLYR 11-22-2009 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Cleco (Post 715502)
Anyone know what model King Air they fly?

Cleco -

That is a great link for information that Golden Bear gave you. If you go to that page, then click on the History link and look 3/4 of the way down the page.
Starting with the paragraph that starts:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/images/pic20.jpg

During the mid-1980s, in an effort to address fuel conservation and the structural condition of the Sabreliner 80 fleet, a decision was made to purchase a new flight inspection aircraft to replace the Sabre 80. Beechcraft offered a modified version of its Beechcraft BE-300 Super King Air turboprop-powered corporate transport. In 1986 the FAA ordered 19 of the Super King with an upgraded AFIS system, with deliveries commencing in 1988. .....
That page shows good pictures of what aircraft they are flying at present and what fleet they hope to go to in the future.

Currently they are flying the King Air 300 with an EFIS cockpit but are updating with ProLine21 avionics. they are also still flying the Lear 60s but are in the process of phasing them out for a fleet of Challenger 601, 604 and 605 fleet.

USMCFLYR

Cleco 11-22-2009 11:00 PM

Thankyou Goldie and USMCFLYR....just wanted to know what flavor to expect for the flight eval IF I am LUCKY ENOUGH to get a "call"! Paperwork is in! I haven't had a chance to read the link but will here shortly. Anyone have any idea of the rough number of pilots at each branch (ATL, NJ, OKC, CA)? Trying to get an idea of my chances at OKC.

USMCFLYR 11-27-2009 06:58 PM

Just to keep the thread going.......
I at least got the notice back that they received my application by the due date! This is the first application feedback I've had in a LONG time ;)

Well...here is to waiting for that next notification!

USMCFLYR

Clue32 11-28-2009 03:29 AM

USMC, did you get the notice back in the mail via usps or did you get e-mail notification? My mail box is 54 miles away from my house, so I probably won't see anything until at least Monday.

USMCFLYR 11-28-2009 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by Clue32 (Post 717952)
USMC, did you get the notice back in the mail via usps or did you get e-mail notification? My mail box is 54 miles away from my house, so I probably won't see anything until at least Monday.

Regular old snail mail Clue.
Remember that page that they asked be put on top of the entire package - with your return address on it a few times? They just tore it off, stamped it with a received time/date and mailed it right back.

USMCFLYR

slopensoar 11-28-2009 11:22 AM

Are these the "Flight Check" pilots?

If so, quick story about the time I flew with one of these pilots that did a contract day on the side for us. Though I had nothing to hide, I was a little nervous when I found out I was going to be flying with an FAA guy. He had either heard this before or sensed my apprehension because he quickly introduced himself with, "Don't worry, we're afraid of the same guys you are...."

Sounds like a great gig. Good luck to those that applied.

USMCFLYR 11-28-2009 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by slopensoar (Post 718102)
Are these the "Flight Check" pilots?

If so, quick story about the time I flew with one of these pilots that did a contract day on the side for us. Though I had nothing to hide, I was a little nervous when I found out I was going to be flying with an FAA guy. He had either heard this before or sensed my apprehension because he quickly introduced himself with, "Don't worry, we're afraid of the same guys you are...."

Sounds like a great gig. Good luck to those that applied.

slopensoar -

Yes - the OP's title is the long formal name for the 'Flight Check' guys.
they have absolutely nothing to do with the regulatory side of the FAA - and therefore none of the bennies either :( I have been told that they get ramp checked every now and then also. At least in some offices they seem to be co-located with the FSDOs so you would think that they have a good relationship, it seems that it is more the gov't way of staying in your own lane and not even peeking outside.

I was hoping that we would hear from a few of them on this thread to share some of the insider stories. Come on guys - don't be shy! :p

USMCFLYR

inky13 11-28-2009 04:31 PM

Good luck to you USMCFLYR, and to the others who applied.

My mom is a Federal employee, in human resources (doesn't hire pilots tho :(), and when I tried to apply for a position in her office during the questionable times this summer, she told me that any VA or Federal employee automatically has priority over my application, so don't get too encouraged. She said it goes for all Federal jobs. Quite frankly, I agree with the policy.

tcasra 11-28-2009 09:48 PM

The vacancy announcement indicates, "Many vacancies - Throughout the Nation." Any ideas how many pilots they are looking for?

USMCFLYR 11-28-2009 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by tcasra (Post 718267)
The vacancy announcement indicates, "Many vacancies - Throughout the Nation." Any ideas how many pilots they are looking for?

The announcement also says that they may interview some - all - or none! :(
No...I haven't anything along the line of total numbers, but since sending in the app I haven't heard a word from them. I think though that if you review the CBP thread the process may move at a similar pace. I had heard that the pilots showing up on the job right now started the process back in March/April timeframe.
tcasra - did you get your app in on time?

USMCFLYR

tcasra 11-28-2009 11:05 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 718268)
The announcement also says that they may interview some - all - or none! :(
No...I haven't anything along the line of total numbers, but since sending in the app I haven't heard a word from them. I think though that if you review the CBP thread the process may move at a similar pace. I had heard that the pilots showing up on the job right now started the process back in March/April timeframe.
tcasra - did you get your app in on time?

USMCFLYR

USMCFLYR,

I think you're right and it may take a while for the FAA to get back to the applicants. I sent my paperwork in on the 18th. Good luck to you and Thank You for your Service!

tcasra

USMCFLYR 11-28-2009 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by tcasra (Post 718275)
USMCFLYR,

I think you're right and it may take a while for the FAA to get back to the applicants. I sent my paperwork in on the 18th. Good luck to you and Thank You for your Service!

tcasra

Thanks. Good luck to you too.
That was a pretty quick application window huh?
I was expecting a 30 day period and I knew that the notifications usually went out on Mondays. I had checked that Monday (both the USAJOBS and FAA jobs sites) and hadn't seen it posted. On a lark I checked on Tuesday and saw the job posting. I'm lucky I had everything with me in order to put that application together since I was on detachment at the time!
This is my first time applying for one of these positions and it was quite the chore getting that whole process together :)
Which field office are you hoping for should you get the nod?

USMCFLYR

tcasra 11-29-2009 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 718276)
Thanks. Good luck to you too.
That was a pretty quick application window huh?
I was expecting a 30 day period and I knew that the notifications usually went out on Mondays. I had checked that Monday (both the USAJOBS and FAA jobs sites) and hadn't seen it posted. On a lark I checked on Tuesday and saw the job posting. I'm lucky I had everything with me in order to put that application together since I was on detachment at the time!
This is my first time applying for one of these positions and it was quite the chore getting that whole process together :)
Which field office are you hoping for should you get the nod?

USMCFLYR

I didn’t indicate a preference as I would hope to be considered for any vacancy. However, if given the choice I would prefer the SMF or ATL field office. Spoke with one of their pilots based out of the OKC a few months back and he informed me they have a pretty good mix of civil and mil guys on board. Given the short notice of the public vacancy announcement along with your mil background I would say you have a pretty good shot. I’ll wish enough luck for the both of us!

tcasra

USMCFLYR 11-29-2009 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by tcasra (Post 718522)
I didn’t indicate a preference as I would hope to be considered for any vacancy. However, if given the choice I would prefer the SMF or ATL field office. Spoke with one of their pilots based out of the OKC a few months back and he informed me they have a pretty good mix of civil and mil guys on board. Given the short notice of the public vacancy announcement along with your mil background I would say you have a pretty good shot. I’ll wish enough luck for the both of us!

tcasra

Same to you tcasra! I agree about the mix of civilian and military background from the people I have talked to in the past. Even though the window was very short, Vicki said that she had received quite a numbers of applications.

Clue/Cleco - Be sure and post on here when you hear anything.

USMCFLYR

ERJF15 11-29-2009 10:01 PM

I applied myself...good luck fellas!

ERJF15 12-02-2009 07:11 PM

Has anyone that has applied for this job gotten any feedback? I've gotten feedback that they have received my resume/application.

ATPasemel170 12-07-2009 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by ERJF15 (Post 720281)
Has anyone that has applied for this job gotten any feedback? I've gotten feedback that they have received my resume/application.

The stamps on the receipt of my application and the letter of breing turned down were the exact time and exact day both, so it looks like I was NOT even looked at. I had several recommendations from previous instructors and friends who are working for the FAA as inspectors and several years of 121 experience.
The statement read:
Thank you for applying on our external vacancy announcement, AAC-NOE-10-AJW3300-118941, Airspace System Inpection Pilot, FG-2181-11/13. Qualified individuals with veterans' preference were referred to the selecting official. Non-preference eligibles may not be selected as long as preference eligibles are still available and interested. I am sorry to inform you that, at this time, your application was not included in the group that was referred. Additional information on veterans' preference in hiring can be located at U.S. Office of Personnel Management Veterans Information.

So, if you are a qualified individual with veterans' preference, good luck and I wish you the best, looks like you will be the only ones to get hired.

Cubdrick 12-21-2009 09:54 PM

Any new developments? Anyone hear back one way or another?

tcasra 12-23-2009 07:00 AM

Same thing here...

"Thank you for applying on our external vacancy announcement, AAC-NOE-10-AJW3300-118941, Airspace System Inpection Pilot, FG-2181-11/13. Qualified individuals with veterans' preference were referred to the selecting official. Non-preference eligibles may not be selected as long as preference eligibles are still available and interested. I am sorry to inform you that, at this time, your application was not included in the group that was referred. Additional information on veterans' preference in hiring can be located at U.S. Office of Personnel Management Veterans Information."

The search continues....

AtlCSIP 12-27-2009 07:07 PM

No non-military pilots
 
I spoke with a friend of mine who is in this department in the FAA. He walked my resume in and wrote me a letter of recommendation. He confirmed today that they only pilots hired were prior military. He said they would be looking again in about 6 months, but that military preference would probably be first based on the way the applications are scored.

nitecat 12-28-2009 12:18 AM

I was active duty USMC from 1979 to 1985,but it appears from the FAA airline operations inspector application you do not get the veterans preference unless you were active duty during certain periods. ( Viet Nam Gulf War ect) I guess in federal hiring there is a big difference between just being prior military or having served during the qualifying periods. Anyone know anything more about this?

USMCFLYR 12-28-2009 02:34 AM


Originally Posted by nitecat (Post 733746)
I was active duty USMC from 1979 to 1985,but it appears from the FAA airline operations inspector application you do not get the veterans preference unless you were active duty during certain periods. ( Viet Nam Gulf War ect) I guess in federal hiring there is a big difference between just being prior military or having served during the qualifying periods. Anyone know anything more about this?

nitecat -

Here is a very comprehensive site about Veterans Preference. It should give you the answer to any question or give you a rudder steer to another source of information.

U.S. Office of Personnel Management Veterans Information

USMCFLYR

VQ2 Spanky 01-08-2010 04:51 AM

For those concerned:

For those that got the Thanks but No thanks, I am sorry. I applied for ACY and have not heard anything but that my application was recieved. I was told by Nancy Curtis (30 DEC) that they were still evaluting the passed applications.

And from someone that has always given me the straight scoop on 31 DEC:

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:48 AM

Subject: RE: FW: ASIP POSITION WITH FAA

Happy New Year!

We have not received the qualify list from HR yet, hope to have that next week. I don't know when we will be doing interviews.

Connie Hogan
Management & Program Analyst
Operational Services Team, AJW-332
PH: (405)-954-0920
Fax: (405)-954-3385

Hope this updates those asking ***?

Spanky

TJohn 01-08-2010 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by nitecat (Post 733746)
I was active duty USMC from 1979 to 1985,but it appears from the FAA airline operations inspector application you do not get the veterans preference unless you were active duty during certain periods. ( Viet Nam Gulf War ect) I guess in federal hiring there is a big difference between just being prior military or having served during the qualifying periods. Anyone know anything more about this?

You are correct. Unfortunately, you only get the "preference" if you served during a "war" or "campaign" where you were eligible for a medal, unless you served as a Reservist or Guardsmen and were activated in which you were eligible to earn a campaign medal.

Clue32 01-21-2010 09:12 AM

Got the thanks but no thanks letter today. Only had a 5 point preference. I start my Casa 212 job on March 1st, so no biggie.

NightIP 01-21-2010 01:26 PM

Yep, got that letter too. Ah well.

Cleco 01-21-2010 05:34 PM

Got the dreaded letter myself on Tuesday. Talked to some folks today and they told me only 10 pointers made the list, no 5 pointers. USMCFLYR you still in the game??


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