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Old 07-29-2006, 05:22 PM   #1  
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MAXjet Airways will be interviewing and hiring this fall. It recently interviewed in July for a class of 10 starting in August which will bring its pilot total to 54. It just aquired its third aircraft in June which will enter service in September. MAXjet is currently in the process of aquiring a 4th and 5th aircarft to begin new service from a US city to STN this winter. MAXjet currently flies 6 times weekly JFK to STN and 5 times weekly IAD to STN. Starting First Officer pay is $50,000 salaried and an average of 15 days off a month. Standard Medical and Dental benifits as well as company provided short and long term disability. Pilots average over 10,000 hours with lowest around 6500 hours and all have over 1000 PIC Turbojet



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Any scuttlebutt as to why the Line Check Airmen and flight attendants got the axe?
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Probably the Tims (D.O. and CP) didn't like the fact that there might be someone with more experience actually flying and have a better understanding of some failings of the operation. Nice way to handle your most experienced pilots. In over 30 years of flying, I have never heard of such a thing. Awfully quiet here about the firings. Any Maxies want to elaborate?
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Perhaps the silence is to respect privacy and save embarassment to the ones who were fired, which is pretty classy if you ask me. Quite unlike some of the other posts here, which should speak volumes to the uninformed readers here. Any reasonable person realizes that there is always two sides to a story and the only thing one can say with 100% assuredness is that 100% of the time you can be 100% sure you haven't 100% of everything. I would suggest that should an interested party recieve an interview, they use the opportunity to assess MAXjet and use their own judgement to determine if the job would be a good fit for them.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, MAX, but isn't one of the Tims (DO) a former Midway RJ Captain? I saw his name in the DOT app for an AOC, and his quals didn't seem to impressive for a wide-body int'l/ETOPS start-up. I'd rather have retired or early-out DL 767 Captains for my start-up, not guys who've never flown ETOPS, never flown 767s and never flown int'l.
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The D.0. was a former CRJ, B737, and A320 Cpt at Midway Airlines as well as a LCA and APD. He is an extremely competent and capable individual as well as a very decent person.

Point of view is a very interesting thing, so I guess it depends on where you are standing. He is the DO of one of the eight US companies currently providing scheduled Trans Atlantic service from the US. One of maybe two who maneuvered an airline from certification to startup as scheduled Flag carrier. The fact that MAXjet made it through the process, being the first airline certification to navigate version 1.x of the CSET process(twice as cumbersome as 1.0 that jetBlue certified under), sucessfully completed the manual process, played a key role in setting up the companies operating procedures, coordinate and managed the companies emergency evacuation and ditching demonstrations, and oversaw the proving runs all in 18 months which was 6 months quicker that jetBlue and with a fraction of the resourses would speak a lot to capability and competence in my mind.

As far as previous airplane qualifications, I think most pilots understand an airplane is an airplane is an airplane. Anyone flying or who has flown international would realize that Class II/ETOPS flying is fairly easy, and the normal OE process is sufficient for someone to transition. An emergency is still an emergency and still requires calm, judgement, CRM, situational awareness and an adherence to aircraft specific procedures which is the same Internationally or Domestically and the few procedural differences with diversions can be covered in a few hour discussion. In fact the 767 was designed by Boeing to be operated by third world countries who aren't as pilot rich as we are here in the US. Some how those airlines make it from the US to their home country every day but I would suspect were they flying a DC9 or an RJ six legs a day to a 200 & 1/2 approach they might not have the same outcome. MAXjet has a good mix of pilots including retired pilots from several legacies, to pilots who were churned up by ATA, US Airways, American, Northwest, Midway, TWA, Polar and Independence and a handful of others.

MAXjet has a very experienced pilot core but one thing in common among all is a positive attitude and teamwork. I am sure MAXjet wants MAXjet pilots, not xxxx pilots or yyyy pilots or zzzz pilots.

Being good or qualified or having the right attitude is not guaranteed by pedigree. In fact one legacy almost had their NAT/MNPS op spec pulled because they piloted an L1011 off their track and had a near miss with another airline. The LCA at the airline had to go through the international school at a much smaller airline who at the time had a fleet of only 6 767's. Somehow this mostly regional airline was recognized as having one of the best International school programs despite its background operating YS11s, F28s, 737s and 727s.

MAXjet in all hopes will be around along time so it only makes sense to hire a diverse group from a wide variety of backgrounds and disciplines who all share a love of flying, flexibility and sense of hard work, patience, a desire to have fun and enjoy their co-worker and the dedication to see the company realize it potential. This kind of comradery along with execution of the companies business plan will map MAXjet's future and it's doubtful any one group or airline had cornered the market on it.

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The D.0. was a former CRJ, B737, and A320 Cpt at Midway Airlines as well as a LCA and APD. He is an extremely competent and capable individual as well as a very decent person.


Being good or qualified or having the right attitude is not guaranteed by pedigree. In fact one legacy almost had their NAT/MNPS op spec pulled because they piloted an L1011 off their track and had a near miss with another airline. The LCA at the airline had to go through the international school at a much smaller airline who at the time had a fleet of only 6 767's. Somehow this mostly regional airline was recognized as having one of the best International school programs despite its background operating YS11s, F28s, 737s and 727s.


Well, I'm not bad-mouthing the guy, just making an outsider's observation. I will say this: There is NO substitute for experience.

Regarding your sentence about a legacy carrier's L1011 off track, that would be DELTA, and when they took over Pan Am's JFK-Europe routes, over 23 of them, they then had many career-domestic pilots flying trans-oceanic routes on the NATS. They still hold the all-time record for NAT-track deviations in a single year, which is sizable. Any other airline, without such a powerful Congressional lobby would lose their NAT-track privelages, but Delta was able to keep it by attending the best trans-oceanic navigation school going at the time. It wasn't Piedmont, that must have been an urban legend. Delta's IP's had to attend TWA's international course, and the FAA so much as documented it. I happen to have flown with many Check Airmen who taught that course. Oh, and the Advisory Circular from FAA regarding ETOPS? It was written by, tested by and pioneered by TWA B-767 Check Airmen, as TWA pioneered ETOPS in February '85, flying 767s from BOS, STL, JFK and IAD to LHR, CDG and FRA.

As far as your comment regarding Class II/ETOPS flying to be 'easy', I don't agree. I've flown over 400 oceanic crossings in the past 12 years, Atlantic/Pacific/Indian oceans, and I've never had that attitude about it. I've always been conscientious, mis-trusting and a little bit anal about flying ETOPS flights, because there is just so much that can go wrong. I would never have a non-chalant "This is cake"-type attitude when dispatched to fly across an ocean with just 2 engines. Sure, it's safe and can be done, but I'm a little weary of it, and I always will be.
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Thank you for the lesson on intitial certification and ETOPS certification. I am sure we can all benefit from incidents that happened 20 years ago on an aircraft that was not as near as capable as the 767. Lessons learned. Please remind me, didn't the L1011 have more than two engines, so not related to ETOPS. Old news.

My whole point has nothing to do with experience, qualifications of those doing the firings or what. My point and questions are: Was there bent metal, hurt people (guests, pax, customers or whatever HR calls them this week), stealing, lying, blatent disregard for procedures and SOP or just a genuine concern from those who had been there done that had seen the mistakes of over 20 years ago and were concerned about your operation? Had these pilots been counciled about singing from only the Tims' hymnbook? Perhaps by removing their LCA credentials was in order, not a "massacre".

The sad fact and the UNSAFE and DANGEROUS fact for your airline now is a precedent has been set, at least the perception of one. If you see genuine failings in the operation, unsafe practices, or a way that something could be done better, you better keep it to yourself or you're gone too. When you fire gentlemen of the caliber of these men, I would say you have set yourself up for some comments.

Did they steal, hurt folks, bend metal, completely disregard SOPs? I honestly do not know, but if not, I will stand by my original post-in 32 years of flying, I have never seen a sicker situation in a flight operations department. What goes around, comes around.

Again,thank you for the history lesson and the lesson on certification. Many of us have seen a certification process, but thank you again. I am sure the Tims, in their mind saw a valid reason for this action but, you know what, just forget it.

Good luck to you Maxi, you and your brethren are going to need it with those two running your flight ops show.
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Again the natures of their departures are private and rightfully so. It would not be professional to discuss them here or in any forum. MAXjet is no different that any other airline in that certain behavior would not be considered appropriate or tolerable. Certainly any such inappropriate behavior conducted in a public manner at large, outside the chain-of-command, and beyond just flight operations really leaves little outcome in such matters. It is safe to say that in most cases such acts would take the ability of a supervisor to protect his subordinates from themselves, even if they did not deserve the protection. In fact a majority of MAXjet pilots would argue that those who make such decisions at MAXjet are more tolerant and soft-handed than most, almost to a fault and to a point to which their judgment would be questioned by inaction. No one at MAXjet was happy to see anyone depart and the ones who had to make the decsions were the saddest of all.

It is a misrepresentation of truth to say the pilots recieved no counciling, which in fact they did directly and indirectly through their friends and peers. Unfortunately it did not change the course of events. Again there is always two sides to any story and unless you 1st party to an event you can be 100% sure you don't know, have not heard 100%, or have seen 100% of the entire situation.

There has been no precedent set, and MAXjet pilots routinely voice opinions on a variety of matters. Almost everyone to a person believes something could be done better in some facet or process of the company just as anywhere. The only requirement are the universal ones of professional decorum, respect and patience. Any reasonable person understands that a new airline has a very lean infrastructure at the beginning, and things that have priority(ETOPS, Cargo, Records, Conformity, etc.) are handled first and any procedure in use that is FAA approved and accepted that could possibly be done better will be handled but will come as workload permits. MAXjet rank and file are given the opportunity to work on projects they would like to come to fruition but at this point in time would have to volunteer days off and time away from home at HDQ to make it happen. If someone can do it great, if not that is fine as well and understood(no one is expected to work on days off) but if it is something MAXjet already has approval and acceptance on, it will be handled in priority.

MAXjet has pilots from all over that have seen many different companies and several from TWA where ETOPS was devised and would agree that MAXjet operates procedurally just as well as most, better than a lot, and that is despite being less than a year old. Improvement comes with time, product refinement, and the infrastructure that is built along with company growth. It would be unrealistic to expect things at new entrant airline with a handful of airplanes to work the same way or as quickly as one with seventy years of history or infrastructure.

As far as your opinion on the situation being sick, we will just have to disagree. I may not have 32 years in aviation(19 years and counting) but I come from a family of aviators. I have worked in the regional side, frieght side, Legacy, and New Entrant. I have been an ALPA LEC Chair and Captain rep, I have sat on a NC during federally meidated section 6 talks. I am the son of a 40 year veteran of aviation who was the Captain Rep and LEC chair of one of ALPA's largest LEC's in the eighties and spent several years as an ALPA national EVP and the brother of a 17 year Captain at a legacy. I feel I have a fairly broad and varied outlook. While I am sad that this occured and wish that such things would never happen, I understand it as wll as those in my family and I think the situation was handled more than fairly.

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Gee Maxi, are we posting resumes here to see who the more credibility? I respect your varied aviation lineage and no disrespect whatsoever. I too have been on LECs, worked on National AlPa committees, worked in management (sort of) etc, etc, etc. I too know what a startup has to go through and I too have seen isssues handled not as well as they could have been. That said, counceling by friends and peers does not constitute formal counciling by the individual that has the capability to fire you. Fire you, mind you, not taken off the line, not given a month off, not demoted to copilot. FIRED. And I am not even speculating what the reasons are, even though I do have an idea third hand.

So I will go back to my original statement, did these three gentlemen steal from MaxJet? Did they blatently and willfully disregard SOP, FOM, or endanger anyone there? Did they fly impaired? Did all three do the same? Since we are talking lineage and resumes here, I am sure you know the history of these men. Folks don't reach the level that these guys did in their former company or reach the status and rank in the military of another by being the type individuals that would "go off" unless there is good reason.

I appreciate your loyalty to your current employer, that is to be admired. And its great that others have been handled with kid gloves as you say. Did these gentlemen not help start the airline, do tabletops, do proving runs, act as the initial cadre of pilots, write the first version of your manuals? Did all three do the same act of "whatever"? Very interesting Maxi. My advice, and why would you take it, watch your six, very carefully. You are on a public forum here and mistep of the company line.............

Maxi, again I respect your aviation history and lineage. I respect your undying loyalty to MaxJet (again, others could take note), but nothing you can say can ever convince me that what was done was not a sick act by indivuals who are insecure in the positions and threatened by those with more experience and respect amongst their peers. This ain't some little backwater regional with 22 year old pilots trying to get time. These were pilots respected by their peers from their old legacy and obviously by the FAA that certified them under, as you have eluded, a very difficult and extreme certification process.

So good luck, watch your six, don't step out of line, keep defending these two guys and you to might get that cubicle in DC. Seriously, keep your head down. Then again, the Tims might not be threatened by your experience.
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