Atlas Air Hiring
05-01-2017, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 742Dash
18 year Captain. $2,809.67 gross. Just a line pilot, no VX, used some sick leave, conflict bid my vacation to maximize time off. All in all 2016 was a time off/take the pay hit year for me.
The credibility of management is pretty much zero, but these fake facts that are getting thrown around here don't help the Union's credibility either.
The credibility of management is pretty much zero, but these fake facts that are getting thrown around here don't help the Union's credibility either.
I got $160. I get that I'm a 2 year FO but that seems to be a pretty major discrepency
05-01-2017, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck
You got $2800??
I got $160. I get that I'm a 2 year FO but that seems to be a pretty major discrepency
I got $160. I get that I'm a 2 year FO but that seems to be a pretty major discrepency
It is a long outdated "thing" that should have gone away long ago. For example, it is only "Atlas" that counts towards it, not Polar and not AAWH as a whole.
My post was simply intended to point that facts matter, and non-facts hurt our credibility.
05-02-2017, 08:07 AM
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 273
Originally Posted by WTFover
He also posted he was kidding. In my fifth year, check was just shy of $1,500 gross, $900 net. Not saying it is good, just being accurate.
not good....just accurate.
05-03-2017, 12:08 AM
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I think Profit Sharing is a very good thing for everyone. With Profit Sharing, the employees realize that if they do a good job, their company does better, and they get a share of it.
Unfortunately, here at Atlas, we do NOT have Profit Sharing. We have "Profit Sharing". BIG DIFFERENCE!!!
Profit Sharing is as described as above, and helps the company in the long run, and helps the employees.
This is how Atlas "Profit Sharing" works:
AAWH owns Atlas, Polar, Titan, Southern, and ???
Our current contract "Profit Sharing", ONLY includes Atlas Air, and NO OTHER PARTS of AAWH.
ALSO, our contract included an EXCLUSION of much of the profit of Atlas Air! The current contract "Profit Sharing" deal is really, really crappy.
So, here's what can happen:
AAWH sells 49% of Polar to DHL, and the pilots get ZERO, because the money generated was by selling part of Polar, and Atlas "Profit Sharing" only includes Atlas Air.
AAWH decides to buy new planes for Atlas/Polar/Southern/Titan, and uses ALL the net profit from Atlas Air to do so. As a result, Atlas Air "profit" is ZERO for the year, so Atlas pilots get NOTHING from the "Profit Sharing".
In the next contract, I want PROFIT SHARING...that is, sharing the profit of AAWH. That would be very good for the company, in the long run, and good for the pilots. No more "Profit Sharing"!!!
Unfortunately, here at Atlas, we do NOT have Profit Sharing. We have "Profit Sharing". BIG DIFFERENCE!!!
Profit Sharing is as described as above, and helps the company in the long run, and helps the employees.
This is how Atlas "Profit Sharing" works:
AAWH owns Atlas, Polar, Titan, Southern, and ???
Our current contract "Profit Sharing", ONLY includes Atlas Air, and NO OTHER PARTS of AAWH.
ALSO, our contract included an EXCLUSION of much of the profit of Atlas Air! The current contract "Profit Sharing" deal is really, really crappy.
So, here's what can happen:
AAWH sells 49% of Polar to DHL, and the pilots get ZERO, because the money generated was by selling part of Polar, and Atlas "Profit Sharing" only includes Atlas Air.
AAWH decides to buy new planes for Atlas/Polar/Southern/Titan, and uses ALL the net profit from Atlas Air to do so. As a result, Atlas Air "profit" is ZERO for the year, so Atlas pilots get NOTHING from the "Profit Sharing".
In the next contract, I want PROFIT SHARING...that is, sharing the profit of AAWH. That would be very good for the company, in the long run, and good for the pilots. No more "Profit Sharing"!!!
05-03-2017, 12:50 AM
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No Profit Sharing!
Atlas will always find ways to hide their profits.
Profit sharing will vanish with the slightest hiccup in the economy.
Give me industry standard (or better) hourly pay and base that on the better of awarded, scheduled, MCPD, or actual on a daily basis.
Then put 16% (no match required) into my 401k.
Then pay us for sick days.
Then pay us 100% for dead head travel.
But they can keep the friggin "profit sharing"!!
8
Atlas will always find ways to hide their profits.
Profit sharing will vanish with the slightest hiccup in the economy.
Give me industry standard (or better) hourly pay and base that on the better of awarded, scheduled, MCPD, or actual on a daily basis.
Then put 16% (no match required) into my 401k.
Then pay us for sick days.
Then pay us 100% for dead head travel.
But they can keep the friggin "profit sharing"!!
8
05-03-2017, 01:23 AM
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Position: Capt
Posts: 3,215
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
No Profit Sharing!
Atlas will always find ways to hide their profits.
Profit sharing will vanish with the slightest hiccup in the economy.
Give me industry standard (or better) hourly pay and base that on the better of awarded, scheduled, MCPD, or actual on a daily basis.
Then put 16% (no match required) into my 401k.
Then pay us for sick days.
Then pay us 100% for dead head travel.
But they can keep the friggin "profit sharing"!!
8
Atlas will always find ways to hide their profits.
Profit sharing will vanish with the slightest hiccup in the economy.
Give me industry standard (or better) hourly pay and base that on the better of awarded, scheduled, MCPD, or actual on a daily basis.
Then put 16% (no match required) into my 401k.
Then pay us for sick days.
Then pay us 100% for dead head travel.
But they can keep the friggin "profit sharing"!!
8
I want the best possible contract... BETTER than described above, PLUS Profit Sharing!
05-03-2017, 06:06 AM
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Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: Senior Seat Cushion Tester Extraordinaire
Posts: 620
Originally Posted by atpcliff
NOT good enough for me.
I want the best possible contract... BETTER than described above, PLUS Profit Sharing!
I want the best possible contract... BETTER than described above, PLUS Profit Sharing!
I am with DC8. Keep your damn profit sharing. FUPM (not directed to you)
05-03-2017, 08:19 AM
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Posts: 548
Originally Posted by Radials Rule
The point is that we should save our negotiating capital on pay, bennies, work rules, etc.. Profit numbers can be spun, even if it is based on AAWH. One management bonus payment, an investment, buying another airline, etc.. can turn profit sharing into chump change.
I am with DC8. Keep your damn profit sharing. FUPM (not directed to you)
I am with DC8. Keep your damn profit sharing. FUPM (not directed to you)
05-03-2017, 12:39 PM
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Ex USAF, ex-ATA , currently Atlas Air 747 CA
Posts: 324
Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
No Profit Sharing!
Atlas will always find ways to hide their profits.
Profit sharing will vanish with the slightest hiccup in the economy.
Give me industry standard (or better) hourly pay and base that on the better of awarded, scheduled, MCPD, or actual on a daily basis.
Then put 16% (no match required) into my 401k.
Then pay us for sick days.
Then pay us 100% for dead head travel.
But they can keep the friggin "profit sharing"!!
8
Atlas will always find ways to hide their profits.
Profit sharing will vanish with the slightest hiccup in the economy.
Give me industry standard (or better) hourly pay and base that on the better of awarded, scheduled, MCPD, or actual on a daily basis.
Then put 16% (no match required) into my 401k.
Then pay us for sick days.
Then pay us 100% for dead head travel.
But they can keep the friggin "profit sharing"!!
8
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