Originally Posted by Omnipotent

And have the ATSG carriers, Kalitta, SAI and whoever else is out there come out of the woodwork to take your flying at a lower cost.

Originally Posted by captainv

The checkride is old school and basic. They train you to handle emergencies in the pattern at either JFK (747) or SEA (767).

I haven't heard of any recent uptick in busts, but typically on the 747, busts are usually the result of a pod scrape or getting slow on the 2-engine approach, followed by a stall/spin.

Originally Posted by minimwage4

Is there a difference between Atlas and Southern?

Originally Posted by Diesel8

Sure. Less pay, longer work hours, worse work rules. Pay is over a third less. Atlas procedures being implemented, that means more work for the same crap pay SAI has had from the beginning of this debacle.

New Atlas expense accounting procedures threatens imputed income if not completed quickly.

Whatever good SAI had, is being erased as the worst aspects of Atlas are being integrated into SAI. No respect from Atlas as they just see SAI as something to be exploited and punished even further. Being bought by Atlas was of no benefit. Absolutely no hope for improvement - ever.

Only good thing; True home basing on the 777F - no imputed income.

With all the whining that Atlas people have, what they don't understand is that things are significantly worse at SAI.

But

SAI is whalesh*t in the AAWW organization - it does not get any lower.

If Atlas offers you a position on a SAI aircraft - run as fast as you can in the opposite direction.

Originally Posted by Crazy Canuck

My salary: $84 x 62 hours x 12 months = $62,000

FedEx: $168 x 74 x 12 = $149,000

Same damn job. Yes we can get double, and we deserve it.


Also, I wouldn't put much stock in the guys running their mouths about training dept failures. 747 training here is tough, and yes a failure here and there happens. But it's not widespread and they are not out to get you.

Originally Posted by boeingdvr

SAI- expect to work 30-40 days straight if you **** up your bid. With coach class from the states to ASIA- middle seat, as it will be booked last minute.

But- you can tell your side piece you fly a 777 to make up for your shortcomings

Enjoy

Originally Posted by SuperAerobat

Dare I ask.... just out of shear curiosity... how much bank does it take to scrape a pod? I've heard as much as 7 degrees and as little as 3. Haha and I thought the CRJ2 was touchy with 8 degrees of bank!

Originally Posted by SuperAerobat

Dare I ask.... just out of shear curiosity... how much bank does it take to scrape a pod? I've heard as much as 7 degrees and as little as 3. Haha and I thought the CRJ2 was touchy with 8 degrees of bank!

Originally Posted by 742Dash

a lot of pod strikes seem to be on the downwind side, so a few degrees down on upwind side is, IMO, a good idea.

Originally Posted by rmr1992

"many of us suspect they'll drive us into bankruptcy to force us into a contract that's as bad or worse"

This kind of hyperbole is ridiculous. While I agree they have zero desire to pay us what we are worth, driving the company to bankruptcy just to avoid paying us is an absurd statement. The losses incurred in such a maneuver would far and away outstrip any "savings" from a concessionary contract. Think about it. This company generates just under 2 billion in revenues and turns a smallish approx average profit of 74 million (average the last 5 years,taken from the most recent annual report). With 1800 pilots, an average 40,000 per person raise is approx 72 million (which still leaves 2 mil in profit). Moreover the company has capital reinvested, on average, almost half a billion per year the last 4 years... therefore the $ exist to still grow the business, show a profit and pay us what we are worth. Thus the aforementioned statement really Makes no sense. Nobody takes a profitable company and drives it into the dirt just to avoid paying the employees. Let's leave the hyperbole to the gridlock and stupidity of the polarized politicians in Washington, they are way better at it anyway.