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Old 07-12-2017, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
Extended after 17. Try more like 18 - 19 days. Then being extend for 3, plus travel home. It's feesable to be gone from home for 22 days in that case. No amount of pay is worth that
In that case you'd spend 22 days on the road as Boeing mentioned but you'd get an extra 27 hours of pay give or take a few hours...
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr View Post
Extended after 17. Try more like 18 - 19 days. Then being extend for 3, plus travel home. It's feesable to be gone from home for 22 days in that case. No amount of pay is worth that
And yet we have dozens of idiots willing to help out Purchase and outbase themselves for 30-90 days at a time.
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Old 07-12-2017, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen View Post
... currently at a ULCC and thinking about making the jump, ready for a change of scenery.
The grass is not only not greener, it’s the victim of a severe drought and is dying a slow painful death. Stay where you are and aim higher.
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Old 07-12-2017, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
If you mean Negotiating Committee then yes. We're going for an Industry Standard Contract. What does that mean? It could mean we end up with damn near anything depending on what happens. We're most likely 2 or 3 years away from a new contract. Currently the company is pushing back over Industry Standard Language for Furlough and Uniforms.
In 2-3 years we will no longer have any economic leverage for a decent contract because time is not on our side. Management is losing some small battles now, but dominating the war because they control the clock and know the game far better than anyone. Our pilots don't self police, and the Union has little power or interest in sticking their necks out too far.
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Old 07-13-2017, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
If you mean Negotiating Committee then yes. We're going for an Industry Standard Contract. What does that mean? It could mean we end up with damn near anything depending on what happens. We're most likely 2 or 3 years away from a new contract. Currently the company is pushing back over Industry Standard Language for Furlough and Uniforms.
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In 2-3 years we will no longer have any economic leverage for a decent contract because time is not on our side. Management is losing some small battles now, but dominating the war because they control the clock and know the game far better than anyone. Our pilots don't self police, and the Union has little power or interest in sticking their necks out too far.
I don't think an Industry Standard contract will be enough to recruit all of the pilots needed by Atlas.

In 2-3 years the Pilot Shortage will be much worse than it is now, barring some major catastrophe. The retirement/new student start numbers now are way upside down, from an HR point of view.
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Old 07-13-2017, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 3inthegreen View Post
Thanks for the great response! How does the Gateway Travel vs Alternate Travel vs home basing (which I know Atlas doesn't have) all work. Thanks in advance, all I know is regular bases, currently at a ULCC and thinking about making the jump, ready for a change of scenery.
Gateway Travel is when Atlas airlines you between your Gateway and your Base. Often, you will fly on your days off if it is Gateway Travel. You can be imputed for Gateway Travel.

If it is between your Gateway, and a location other than your base, then it is not Gateway travel, you don't fly on your days off, and there is no imputed income.

Alternate Travel is where, at the start/end of a trip, Atlas airlines you to/from a location other than your Gateway: It is not Gateway travel, you don't fly on your days off, and there is no imputed income.

Home Basing is where you are airlined to/from the airport closest to your home (as opposed to a "Gateway"...an airport that serves a number of cities/towns in a region). With Home Basing (or Gateway Basing), your base is your Home city (or you Gateway). There are no Pilot Bases with Home/Gateway Basing.
Gateways example: MKE used to be the only Gateway at Atlas, for all of NE WI and the Western UP. Now MKE and GRB and ATW are all Gateways...
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:08 AM
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R2 hotel is not subject to imputed tax - even if it is at your base.

If you were imputed, contact KC or the Union. It's an error. Don't let them get away with it.
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlasPilot1 View Post
R2 hotel is not subject to imputed tax - even if it is at your base.

If you were imputed, contact KC or the Union. It's an error. Don't let them get away with it.
Boy, I'd like the union reps to give a clear answer to this. KC is now saying it is imputable.
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiplash6 View Post
Boy, I'd like the union reps to give a clear answer to this. KC is now saying it is imputable.
That is the problem. There is no clear answer on any of this. There are multiple letters, memos, and post it notes that are drawn from a hat and applied at the whim of whoever feels like it at the time...

The burden is thrown back on the crew member to carefully examine everything, including pay, to catch the mistakes. Many crew-members are finding pay discrepancies...
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
That is the problem. There is no clear answer on any of this. There are multiple letters, memos, and post it notes that are drawn from a hat and applied at the whim of whoever feels like it at the time...

The burden is thrown back on the crew member to carefully examine everything, including pay, to catch the mistakes. Many crew-members are finding pay discrepancies...

Atlas Air is a monstrosity. I can't believe people are still applying.
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