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04-04-2018, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
I just talked to a pilot who came out of recurrent training in MIA. They said that they talked to someone in charge there...the rate of new hires in Jan-Feb that didn't complete training was very high, both from pilots leaving, and those having training issues. I was quite surprised. I think that our training department needs to adopt again to applicants now with very different backgrounds than we were getting a year ago or so.
Company can’t claim they can’t hire because they can, it’s just not working out anymore.
They’ve reached the limit of what can be trained in such a short period of time. Whether it’s overall lack of experience, lack of specific experience or lack of aptitude or even interest.
Doesn’t matter.
And this is not the fault of the Training Department in any shape or form.
You can’t train experience.
Powers that be will be paying attention when passing rates of 95% start dropping. Training is expensive.
04-04-2018, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
And this is not the fault of the Training Department in any shape or form.
To have optimum training, the program has to change as the average new-hire changes. You want to spend the least amount of time and money per average new hire as practical.
A high training failure rate is not efficient. To fix it, you need to hire people that matches your training program, or match the training program to the people that you are hiring.
04-04-2018, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
I just talked to a pilot who came out of recurrent training in MIA. They said that they talked to someone in charge there...the rate of new hires in Jan-Feb that didn't complete training was very high, both from pilots leaving, and those having training issues. I was quite surprised. I think that our training department needs to adopt again to applicants now with very different backgrounds than we were getting a year ago or so.
04-05-2018, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AboveMins
What's "very high"? I know of a few that left for greener pastures, or for personal reasons. Haven't heard of any Jan or Feb hires that have washed out otherwise.
04-05-2018, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
My understanding is that 5 didn’t make it through the process in the December class. I think 2 or 3 were wash outs. This doesn’t include pink slips. There is risk involved... If you’re inexperienced or haven’t been through training in a while I’d factor it into your decision.
They want to be a big boy airline but refuse to pay professionals a decent wage so they can’t keep any talent. Not just pilots. ALL DEPARTMENTS.
If you’re not expireoenced in getting yourself through a type, you might not want to roll the dice with your certificate.
Too many other better places
04-06-2018, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Whaledriver
The 5 Dec class had three not offered the type ride.
Personally I don't blame our training at all. It's a much kinder and gentler MIA training center than it use to be. The difference is that we've been forced to roll the dice on applicants who may or may not be ready. The type bust will stick with you as well but washing completely out is a big deal. Consider this before you come here and if you do come show up ready to go. Ask for help immediately if you fall behind in any way.
04-06-2018, 02:11 PM
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You can’t expect a training department to crystal ball it every class.
Any training department will always be behind and respond reactively and not proactively as you need a feedback loop to make adjustments.
So they do what they do till failures get above a statistical average then the process starts of determining whether this is applicant or training issues.
I’m suspecting applicant issues.
Show up mentally ready and prepared and plan to work hard.
I know I was and so was everybody else in my class.
Any training department will always be behind and respond reactively and not proactively as you need a feedback loop to make adjustments.
So they do what they do till failures get above a statistical average then the process starts of determining whether this is applicant or training issues.
I’m suspecting applicant issues.
Show up mentally ready and prepared and plan to work hard.
I know I was and so was everybody else in my class.
04-06-2018, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
You can’t expect a training department to crystal ball it every class.
Any training department will always be behind and respond reactively and not proactively as you need a feedback loop to make adjustments.
So they do what they do till failures get above a statistical average then the process starts of determining whether this is applicant or training issues.
I’m suspecting applicant issues.
Show up mentally ready and prepared and plan to work hard.
I know I was and so was everybody else in my class.
Any training department will always be behind and respond reactively and not proactively as you need a feedback loop to make adjustments.
So they do what they do till failures get above a statistical average then the process starts of determining whether this is applicant or training issues.
I’m suspecting applicant issues.
Show up mentally ready and prepared and plan to work hard.
I know I was and so was everybody else in my class.
04-06-2018, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
I think it’s less about the training department, which has to be among the worst in the industry
And if fail rates were that low ( <1 per class) then I think they did somthing right.
I’d it flawless? No.....but show me one that is.
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