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06-16-2018, 11:18 AM

#17201

zerozero

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Why are we always...

...ALWAYS...

living in the past?

06-16-2018, 12:21 PM

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tomgoodman

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Originally Posted by zerozero

Why are we always...

...ALWAYS...

living in the past?

Because it’s familiar territory. The future....terra incognita.

06-16-2018, 12:57 PM

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JonnyKnoxville

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Could we get more info regarding the pension and data theft.

Right now it seems like a pension was turned down and we got NOTHING in return? WTF!

Also what data was taken? when?

Yes, yes, I too would love to find out more information about the data theft. Never let a good story get in the way of the facts. LMAO

06-16-2018, 01:01 PM

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JonnyKnoxville

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Originally Posted by zerozero

Why are we always...

...ALWAYS...

living in the past?

Because losers live in the past. Winners create the future. We have all made our choices to define us and some repeatedly choose to be losers. I know that is a personal choice but the least they could do is get the facts straight. If nothing else, at least this is all mildly entertaining know/living through what really happened.

06-16-2018, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Screwed

Could we get more info regarding the pension and data theft.

Right now it seems like a pension was turned down and we got NOTHING in return? WTF!

Also what data was taken? when?

You're the one saying a "Retirement LOA was shut down by CK"... What was in that Retirement LOA? A pension... That JC was never going to give us anyway. It was Lucy with the Football, but that's why CK called the old guard out on it as it would've been horrible for 80% of the group who didn't want it. At the time surveys of the pilot group and contract studies were being put together (by CK) so we as a group could decide what WE want. CK ran openly about this information and was elected off of a losing slate.

06-16-2018, 02:15 PM

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Globemaster2827

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Originally Posted by CaptainHvac

A Teamsters sponsored pension is the worst idea ever; heck, most Teamsters sponsored deals havent proven to be fruitful anyways. Kudos to CK putting the kibosh on that if he truly did.

Poll... What do you trust more... Your retirement managed and controlled by BF and JD or Your retirement managed by Teamsters?

It's a pretty good question.

06-16-2018, 02:16 PM

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Globemaster2827

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Originally Posted by zerozero

Why are we always...

...ALWAYS...

living in the past?

Our contract is from the 80s!... You are correct though. This has devolved into a union politics thread since leaving your current airline to go to Atlas isn't that appealing to many people.

06-16-2018, 02:17 PM

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Yes, yes, I too would love to find out more information about the data theft. Never let a good story get in the way of the facts. LMAO

Arrrrrrrrrgh... Shiver me gigabytes!!!

06-16-2018, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827

Poll... What do you trust more... Your retirement managed and controlled by BF and JD or Your retirement managed by Teamsters?

It's a pretty good question.

That is a good question, but what exactly do you mean by an AAWW controlled retirement? A traditional pension? If so, no to any and all traditional pensions because they can go away on a whim (as we've seen throughout history), or are used to be dangled like a carrot in negotiations, bankruptcy, etc, (as we've also seen throughout history). Also, no to anything Teamsters since their overall "staying power" as an entity will likely be slowly reduced by automation, ineffectiveness, AI, and other factors across many industries. The only real solution is a similar plan to Delta/United where you keep the money the second it's depositied into an account.