suddenimpact

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that someone might have been posing as you or just coincidence. While the ExCo at the time did not give me your name, I did note the similarity after checking out the link to the page when it was given to me. The info gathered was somewhat more than what was displayed in the earlier post. About four columns of info edited for privacy of others. We also had our own Atlas union website outside of 1224 at the time which made cross verification easier with your logins. Just like fingerprints electronically. It should tell you and others you don't look very far ahead.

Funny, you actually think what Kirchner said was true on that P2P call. What day was that, the day before the FPL Amendment vote count that passed where he ordered all attending P2P'ers to go after the FPL supporters. Maybe you actually believed him, but you all were definitely cowards for refusing me to reply to his and your attack (like a chihuahua barking from under an old lady's dress) with your gatekeeper MG. Definitely showed your collective character and lack of duty of fair representation. My accomplishments can be verified if my past superiors are willing to entertain your worthless presence. Note to the non Atlas 1224, it is a regular exercise to figure out the truth from the chaff when Kirchner speaks.

As to Mom, she has been dead since about when Knox got elected.

Get a napkin cause your frothing again.

The Seattle guy is retired, but we had numerous other supporters for the FPL that passed. As a matter of fact, we have a number that were your supporters. One that actually fabricated stuff about me to support you during your initial election (in those posted links when tracking you) but he found that you couldn't deliver on your promises and joined us. As a matter of fact, there were a number of folks that I was in opposition to many times that joined the cause for the FPL amendment that passed. So, I can work with others that have been at odds with me. Guess not just with you, Kirchner, and two others on the ExCo at this time.

I have more free time for my own endeavors now, finally. Thanks to you and Kirchner and the other exco's. I still get requests for help and participation on a regular basis from those that actually do the work. Just don't get the benefit of my name being attached to any of it.

Thanks for your service. Now reality. Your going to **** off at least half of the membership at any given time. Like being a captain, you will be blamed for everyone elses problems associated with your decisions or actions. Hopefully you balance that threshold. Thanks for volunteering and welcome to the life.

Do you honestly think the pattern you bid is going to actually happen if you flew it vs UB/FPL? If so, you probably need to re-evaluate being a steward because the average Joe rarely flies his bid award. Guessing your a steward looking at the ExCo schedule.

Didn't take much, just reading some meta-data headers and working backwards from concerned new hires submissions.

Sad thing was, the Nextgen slate getting new hire member info before
the local got it. Definitely something worth investigating that the kinder ExCo of the time didn't seem interested in doing vs what the current ExCo would do if it suited them. They love eating our own first.

You know. I didn't like you at first, but you seem to be putting it all together very well. Kudos!

The FPL was not designed to punish union participation. Just to keep those from working the system so-to-speak as it has been.

NightIP

You’ve even managed to lash out at me about my comment about UB messing up my pattern?

I honestly hope you get whatever help you need. I mean that.

Davetastic

I voted for the assessment. I don't support anything else except section 6. Now go away.





You can't say anything on this forum even if it is only hypothetical without some jerkoff accusing you of being a company guy or anti union. I have always said that I support what our union is trying to achieve...i just disagree with the way they go about doing it sometimes. Case in point....I disagree with the notion that ANY of our union leadership, EXCO, committee members, or anyone volunteering in any union capacity whatsoever etc., use these forums as a mechanism to promote a political campaign. I think to do so is short sighted and could harm our ability to negotiate a fair contract as has apparently happened with data theft and the pension argument. If the company, as many claim, troll this forum wouldn't less be more?

DC8DRIVER

What? Are you the only person that can express their views on these message boards?

You talk the talk but you don't walk the walk. You say that you support the union, but:
1. Your constant public criticism of the union undermines unity and plants the seeds of division in our group.
2. Your continued propagation of exaggerations like "data theft" on these boards is just the sort of thing that management loves to harvest as they rub their hands together in glee at the sight of union members accusing each other of misdeeds.
3. Your constant promotion of just how "not bad" (good) life at Atlas is assists in the company recruitment efforts. There is virtually not a negative post by someone else that will not generate a contrary post from you arguing that things at Atlas aren't as bad as the poster says they are. People have their own opinions, yet you tell them that their opinions are wrong.
4. Instead of privately disagreeing with the union tactics, you publicly flaunt them over and over and over for all the world to see. This erodes unity and supports the company agenda of weakening the union.
5. You are right that the company uses these boards. In the JC declaration letter used in one of the lawsuits, direct responses to your posts were used against the pilot group.

Now, you have the right to say whatever you want on these boards, whether it's true or not. But don't think that when you say that you "support the union" that you won't be called out for lying because your words here have done much more harm than good for our cause.

suddenimpact

I don't think I was lashing out. Just stating how it is. You might want to grow a little thicker skin because your going to get a lot of admiration and admonishment from the membership just for what you could do and what you couldn't.

Seeing your a 767 guy, you might have a modicum of a chance of flying your pattern if your doing the CVG hub.

So sorry that they put R1 on your pattern that are not UB days. They usually fill them with flying after some time, but sometimes not.

I've noticed some of the other stewards VX when they get put on R1 to sit at home. They seem to be exempted from being put on "THE LIST" that is floating around out there. Of course, couple are playing the VX seniority lottery and some just fly the OT trips. Some do both.


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I have always wanted us to move these discussions/rants to our forums or the less secure facebook page. Mentioned that a few times on threads here.

Unfortunately, our current administration does not want to hear anything contrary or even improvement suggestions. To the point of denying all postings to the web forum and censored (and banning persons) posts to facebook.

This hijacked thread is what happens when you try to silence the membership. A fine example of the ExCo only thinking one move at a time and not thinking of the consequences.

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Personally, I thought the recordings did more damage and they got those via discovery proceedings. Teaching our Chairman what to say and not say in public probably would have helped also.

JonnyKnoxville

Just like the Gulfstream...there was never a data theft. Just someone who claims there was with zero evidence. No substance, just baseless claims...more lies.

NightIP

Brother, my statement was just to point out that UB isn't a cash cow, and that the UB/FPL conspiracy theory is simply a lie. I'm always happy to show my meager pay stubs to anyone I fly with who thinks otherwise.

Have a great day.

suddenimpact

[QUOTE=NightIP;2616856]Brother, my statement was just to point out that UB isn't a cash cow, and that the UB/FPL conspiracy theory is simply a lie. I'm always happy to show my meager pay stubs to anyone I fly with who thinks otherwise.

Never said it was a cash cow (definitely wasn't for me), just that it was getting abused. It only takes a few to screw the party up for all. 2015 $660K, 2016 $1.1M, 2017 $1.272 M in UB pay. 2017 had about six months of the company giving us credit for 200 hrs a month under the framework agreement that is not reflected in these numbers. So if we didn't have the framework agreement UB would be higher than $1.272M. You can pick through the LM-2 to see who is getting the most.

Usually, the stewards were never a problem when we were tracking that. Sorry you got zapped with R1 to fill the unused gaps but looking at all the stewards schedules I have right now, few get three days of R1 some one or two. Most list for VX. Since I don't post anything here against the Teamsters social media policy or the employee handbook social media policy, so I can't give better details. Although, sampling shows that the average Joe-pilot gets shafted with R1 to stop their CRT clock at the same rate as Stewards do when they pull UB on the remains of their parings. So your not getting ahead or behind compared to your brothers/sisters though you get a little more than them (5.0 vs 4.85 hrs per day of UB).

I know they park me on the road as hidden reserve (multiple DH/Comercials) or at home on R1 around the 14th day regularly. Especially if I'm getting close to guarantee.

Just saw the latest Chairman's update today. Foreshadowing the reality of having to do this through the arbitration process since the company won't really negotiate. Kind of saw that coming long ago. We still need to send our guys to close what they can though. Keeps the arbiters hands off TA'd parts generally.

DC8DRIVER

Actually, I have seen current posts on the union web forum so they are not shut down as you say. I think that forum simply fell out of favor with the pilot group because about half of the posts there were from 2 or 3 posters who wrote long winded rants about how bad the union was.

Whale Driver

Major games are being played with this and other restrictions on anyone with dissenting opinions. They removed all the moderators months ago with the intention of shutting it down but other 1224 carriers use it, so that would have looked bad. Smoke and mirrors.