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Old 07-04-2018, 07:07 AM   #17271  
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I choose not to "engage" on the union forums because, like APC is becoming, it devolved into a couple of loud mouths ranting about issues that our pilot group just doesn't care about.



BUAHAHAHAHAH! That is rich coming from YOU!! You are literally one of the loudmouths!



No offense 8, but you got yourself in trouble with the things you've posted here! I am not talking about the conspiracy garbage and things. In fact, I applaud your passion and commitment with picketing, and lanyards and education and all the other standard union events during contract negotiations. And, I also think that if you and others would have kept the comments contained to facts instead of conjecture and emotionally charged responses, you would have had a totally defensible position. BUT, you and other went astray and started bashing your employer in an open forum.....which imo is not only not appropriate (I am not saying you are not entitled to your opinions) but it is a failed strategy from the outset. Keep you friends close but your enemies closer.
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I am just lurking. I have nothing to say until all the facts are out.
Great to see you back here.....but that never stopped you before.
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:00 PM   #17273  
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Atlas still using the Marriott Associa above the train station/mall in Nagoya? Planning a trip and might call to see if I can get a better rate.
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Old 07-07-2018, 06:37 PM   #17274  
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Atlas still using the Marriott Associa above the train station/mall in Nagoya? Planning a trip and might call to see if I can get a better rate.
Yes.

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Old 07-08-2018, 03:06 PM   #17275  
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So, quit wasting our time and your breath. We just don't care.
I'm afraid this has become a waste of time here, 8. Sadly, after a good 10 year run as a valuable source of information about Atlas this thread has spiraled down the toilet into just another trash talking Flightinfo.com. I'm not certain just when it changed from folks talking 'with' each other into talking 'at' each other but it certainly has.
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I'm afraid this has become a waste of time here, 8. Sadly, after a good 10 year run as a valuable source of information about Atlas this thread has spiraled down the toilet into just another trash talking Flightinfo.com. I'm not certain just when it changed from folks talking 'with' each other into talking 'at' each other but it certainly has.
I believe it was about a year after K* got elected. Eat our own first. Simple job, we are always ready to do that. Like a witch hunt. Used P2P to start that, then the new hires during their welcome to Atlas new hire pizza parties. All junior and unknowing of our history which we seem to repeat. New hires ready to gobble up the words of K* as gospel, ignorant of the facts and our history. Worked everyone up to the point some didn't know were the line was and a few got burned by the company. Leadership was not willing to or felt like telling them where that line was were they could save their jobs. Lead from behind leadership mentality. Then that same leadership cleaned house of anyone in the committees that would make a suggestion or not blindly follow their statements on history and facts. Thus causing the proliferation of hate to forums like these.

I've always expected sabotage and reprisal from the company and have experienced it directly. Didn't expect it from my own union to the membership and active committee members.

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Old 07-10-2018, 09:31 AM   #17277  
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I believe it was about a year after K* got elected. Eat our own first. Simple job, we are always ready to do that. Like a witch hunt. Used P2P to start that, then the new hires during their welcome to Atlas new hire pizza parties. All junior and unknowing of our history which we seem to repeat. New hires ready to gobble up the words of K* as gospel, ignorant of the facts and our history. Worked everyone up to the point some didn't know were the line was and a few got burned by the company. Leadership was not willing to or felt like telling them where that line was were they could save their jobs. Lead from behind leadership mentality. Then that same leadership cleaned house of anyone in the committees that would make a suggestion or not blindly follow their statements on history and facts. Thus causing the proliferation of hate to forums like these.

I've always expected sabotage and reprisal from the company and have experienced it directly. Didn't expect it from my own union to the membership and active committee members.
Says a major poster in the "down-the-toilet" movement!

If you look at the history of this thread, you'll see that for many years, posters like Talon and me wrote positive and constructive information geared toward helping potential new hire Atlas pilots become informed about the current status of the Atlas hiring process and specifics of life at Atlas.

When Atlas first bought Southern, we all regarded it as good news until the company decided that they would amalgamate instead of negotiate our new contracts. At that point, we continued to write informative posts clarifying the confusing and negative situation that the company created.

Those of us who still carry on the tradition of informing potential new hires with honest and clear opinions about life at Atlas are frequently attacked and told that our opinions are wrong.

I urge readers who are genuinely interested in Atlas as a potential employer to go as far back as possible in this thread to get a feel for the history of hiring at Atlas and how we got to the place that we find at ourselves today. Doing this will also give a clearer view of the agendas those who are the current frequent posters.

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Old 07-10-2018, 03:19 PM   #17278  
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Says a major poster in the "down-the-toilet" movement!

If you look at the history of this thread, you'll see that for many years, posters like Talon and me wrote positive and constructive information geared toward helping potential new hire Atlas pilots become informed about the current status of the Atlas hiring process and specifics of life at Atlas.

When Atlas first bought Southern, we all regarded it as good news until the company decided that they would amalgamate instead of negotiate our new contracts. At that point, we continued to write informative posts clarifying the confusing and negative situation that the company created.

Those of us who still carry on the tradition of informing potential new hires with honest and clear opinions about life at Atlas are frequently attacked and told that our opinions are wrong.

I urge readers who are genuinely interested in Atlas as a potential employer to go as far back as possible in this thread to get a feel for the history of hiring at Atlas and how we got to the place that we find at ourselves today. Doing this will also give a clearer view of the agendas those who are the current frequent posters.
Very well said, Sir. Perhaps the original intent of this thread is salvageable if enough folks remain level headed and avoid the histrionics. It is an open forum and of course people are free to post as they wish. In like manner, other users are free to pay close attention to posts that answer their questions and disregard other posts which do not.
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... users are free to pay close attention to posts that answer their questions and disregard other posts which do not.
Good advice.

I think most readers can see through the fog when they are looking for information.
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Says a major poster in the "down-the-toilet" movement!

If you look at the history of this thread, you'll see that for many years, posters like Talon and me wrote positive and constructive information geared toward helping potential new hire Atlas pilots become informed about the current status of the Atlas hiring process and specifics of life at Atlas.

When Atlas first bought Southern, we all regarded it as good news until the company decided that they would amalgamate instead of negotiate our new contracts. At that point, we continued to write informative posts clarifying the confusing and negative situation that the company created.

Those of us who still carry on the tradition of informing potential new hires with honest and clear opinions about life at Atlas are frequently attacked and told that our opinions are wrong.

I urge readers who are genuinely interested in Atlas as a potential employer to go as far back as possible in this thread to get a feel for the history of hiring at Atlas and how we got to the place that we find at ourselves today. Doing this will also give a clearer view of the agendas those who are the current frequent posters.
Yes, both you and Talon have been informative according to your leaderships wishes over the years after my short review. To include the early and latest mandates given by the past and current ExCos, in which you have complied with exuberantly with each.

I agree, we will do better with a Section 6 negotiation (strike). Unfortunately, we are kind of tied to our scope clause under section 1 of our contract and I expect us loosing that in court and the later arbitration the court will kick it back to. Not dissimilar to how the company wanted to back out of the same section one language of the contract on strike/picket line crossing in court recently they lost. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black scenario in reverse reading the language of the CBA.

Dude*, I see your on LMED as of May 2018 seniority list. Hope your OK despite our dislike of each other. Have had my own over the years here at Atlas. Cancer and a few altercations requiring recovery. Is K* granting you donated LMED leave from the crewmember donated medical bank since you only got hired back in 2011 or UB/FPL? I myself never asked for it while still continuing to volunteer despite the tubes going in and out of me. Now I see why you have well over 1000 posts to my less than 100. Lots of time to lurk and post.

You being hired around thirty days of Kn* didn't helped either. Just makes you tainted with the Nexgen slate stench. A slate that accomplished nothing of their promises to the membership that got them elected. As a matter of fact, the FPL amendment I supported and helped get done did that and more.

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Very well said, Sir. Perhaps the original intent of this thread is salvageable if enough folks remain level headed and avoid the histrionics. It is an open forum and of course people are free to post as they wish. In like manner, other users are free to pay close attention to posts that answer their questions and disregard other posts which do not.
I'm sadden about the hijacking of this thread also. One of the ExCo taking it upon themselves to carry on there agenda using selective history recall and posting it here. Leaving out a lot of what we are now repeating from the Atlas/Polar merger.

Talon, you've been somewhat civil. I'm not anti-union as I have been labeled by K* before and after the FPL amendment vote. I have decades of direct involvement before his recent rise to repeat history again, minus the his jail time.

I could go on, but lets head back to the 1224 forums for that for however long that may last. Although our leadership is doing it's best to kill it.

Currently Atlas leadership says the forums are down. One level up at 1224 they say it's still up and the Atlas ExCo has only withdrawn their moderators to approve posts. So we are left with only the non-Atlas moderators to approve posts and they have according to the TOS published. Maybe that is better considering the past deletions, censoring, ignoring and etc by the Atlas moderators. Unfortunately, part is that there are few 1224 moderators so posting is slow.

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