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Old 07-15-2018, 07:12 PM   #17321  
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Has anyone got info if bringing Southern up to par will negate an amalgamation? I know it was asked previously but I may have missed an answer with all the infighting.
The amalgamation is likely to continue.

But the company has lost some of the advantage now. If you can imagine both contracts as "bookends", before parity an arbitrator would have more "latitude" to average out work rules, pay, etc.

But now that the bookends are move closer, theoretically, there's less difference now between the groups.

Note: it still needs to be put in black and white and then voted on (and pass) before it ever sees the light of day.
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The amalgamation is likely to continue.

But the company has lost some of the advantage now. If you can imagine both contracts as "bookends", before parity an arbitrator would have more "latitude" to average out work rules, pay, etc.

But now that the bookends are move closer, theoretically, there's less difference now between the groups.

Note: it still needs to be put in black and white and then voted on (and pass) before it ever sees the light of day.

So if amalgamation were to pass, at this rate it could be a contract very similar to the ones in place now.

Still a far cry from contracts at several other ACMI's.

I've heard a couple of other theories on the negotiation tactics at hand, and favor the one that this is simply a delay tactic for an Amazon buyout and minimizing employee costs for as long as feasible. However the water is fairly muddied now and what will come to pass seems to be anyone's guess.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:41 AM   #17323  
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No more classes this year. No more growth. I've actually heard rumors of a small furlough.
Furlough? Stop making up crap... the consistent message has been "not enough crew" from union and the data seems to support that. Company still has to take delivery of 5 more Amazon aircraft and 2 more 747s this year. Truth is no more 747 classes this year but 767 hiring wil continue. Regardless, How can they furlough when there's already insufficient manning? Moreover, attrition numbers show us averaging 15 lost pilots per month. No need to furlough if we were overmanned, they could lower manning by just stopping hiring. The current 1 year look back shows hire 4 lose 2 (400 ish hired in last year and 200ish attrition). Let's leave the made up crap to the other side. The truth here is bad enough without fabricating fake rumors of a furlough.
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I agree that the furloughs are unlikely in the near term. As far as hiring continuing, the union has only been informed by the company of 2 more (767) classes for the year - including the one that started this morning. As you stated, the 747 hiring is done for the year. Also, yesterday’s vacancy award showed no new hires on either fleet - the first time in over 2 years that that was the case.
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Atlas wouldn't be the first company to hire until they furlough.

And yeah, with the company structured the way it is today, we're short on crews. But it doesn't have to stay that way.

Just food for thought, but one way to address the pilot shortage here would be to shed customers, "right size the operation", and just serve the most important ones (Amazon/DHL) with the crews we have.

So, the stock price drops because of that? Big deal, the execs have been cashing out for the last couple of years. They have more than enough.

Wouldn't be the craziest thing I've seen these guys do.
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DHL just announced the purchase of 14 777 Fs and options on 7 more. Who will fly these planes, not Atlas in their current state of a dumpster fire. Aero-Logic probably.

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I agree that furloughs are not necessary or in my opinion likely. However we are dealing with a management that is running the Frank Lorenzo Playbook chapter and verse. "Furlough to focus minds" is chapter 13. Their stated goal is to have a contract in place that the pilots will "never" vote on. They will not walk away from the amalgamation option because that is exactly the clause they have staked the business on. Deliver us up on a silver platter to Bezos with a multi year lowball contract in place. Again I'm not promoting a furlough rumor.
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……………... Also, yesterday’s vacancy award showed no new hires on either fleet - the first time in over 2 years that that was the case.
Not true. They posted one a couple months ago, then corrected it a few days later.
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Not true. They posted one a couple months ago, then corrected it a few days later.
I was just in MIA at the TC.

One more new hire class for 2018. The word is, if attrition doesn't pick up between now and Jan 1. A small furlough of 50-75 after peak.
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I was just in MIA at the TC.

One more new hire class for 2018. The word is, if attrition doesn't pick up between now and Jan 1. A small furlough of 50-75 after peak.
I believe the MIA TC as much as I believe BK. Guess it will be a wait and see thing. Hopefully BK didn't drag this out to the backside of the hiring curve losing leverage for us. Maybe he started believing his own propaganda vs past charted facts by his volunteers.
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