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Old 01-29-2020, 10:10 AM   #17681  
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Atlas pilots lost another couple of judgements in court today
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Old 01-29-2020, 10:30 AM   #17682  
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https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/atla...ion-2020-01-28

and the opinions...

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin...?2019cv2723-21

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin...?2019cv1948-17
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Old 01-29-2020, 10:48 AM   #17683  
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Executive leadership is still trying to litigate its way to success.
To be fair, the opinion reads pretty much the exact opposite of this. Wonder how much we paid for this top notch, never-won-a-case, legal maneuver.
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Old 01-29-2020, 11:08 AM   #17684  
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Thanks for posting that, hadnít seen it yet or heard about it.
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To be fair, the opinion reads pretty much the exact opposite of this. Wonder how much we paid for this top notch, never-won-a-case, legal maneuver.
You're assuming the goal was to win. I think the union knows all to well this amalgamation case is a technical lost cause. The only solution then is to just make winning so difficult and drawn out that the company simply has to take a different approach. The legal system is designed to force compromise and make judgements from the court a last resort for resolving conflict.

If Atlas is willing to lose a bunch of business and ruin its brand in the pursuit of amalgamation that's their call. The union can't force a deal if there's no budging the other side. All they can do is making amalgamation such a hollow victory that management decides to give it up. It's possible the union could still "win" as even if the amalgamation process was started today by the union publishing a seniority list it would still be years until that process is over. The union would fight and drag their feet every step of the way for sure. Is Atlas willing to wait that long?
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You're assuming the goal was to win. I think the union knows all to well this amalgamation case is a technical lost cause. The only solution then is to just make winning so difficult and drawn out that the company simply has to take a different approach. The legal system is designed to force compromise and make judgements from the court a last resort for resolving conflict.

If Atlas is willing to lose a bunch of business and ruin its brand in the pursuit of amalgamation that's their call. The union can't force a deal if there's no budging the other side. All they can do is making amalgamation such a hollow victory that management decides to give it up. It's possible the union could still "win" as even if the amalgamation process was started today by the union publishing a seniority list it would still be years until that process is over. The union would fight and drag their feet every step of the way for sure. Is Atlas willing to wait that long?

Yeah... There wouldn't be an airline after long enough, but what scares me is that management seems to be ok with giving up business over this. Makes you wonder...
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My fun factor dropped quite a bit last month as they worked me more than normal. I mean efficiently which was mind blowing. Granted, there were folks sitting quite a bit as I passed thru various locations rapidly filling my passport faster than projected... Definitely was Labor with a little cheddar.
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