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Old 06-25-2013, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by KYTBRD View Post
An interesting paragraph from the June 2013 GAO report on Military Airlift:

"After the drawdown in Afghanistan concludes, the need for airlift is expected to decline, which will reduce both training opportunities and the business available for CRAF participants. In addition, as airlift needs decrease, DOD may need to fly a higher percentage of its channel missions in order to provide its crews with sufficient training opportunities, which could further decrease its use of CRAF participants. DOD officials told us that they expect peacetime business to fall significantly after fiscal year 2015. This decrease has already begun; peacetime revenues of CRAF participants have already dropped by nearly one third, from their high point of approximately $3 billion in fiscal year 2010 to about $2 billion in fiscal year 2012, as shown in figure 5. Commercial carriers are projected to be used even less in fiscal year 2013 and beyond, until revenues return to pre-September 11, 2001 levels of $700 million or less. This represents a potential 66 percent decline in DOD business available to CRAF participants, which may further exacerbate the economic pressures under which CRAF participants are operating."

An interesting read if you have the time on those long legs to ICN,NGO.....

http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/655338.pdf
A big reason I was concerned about the future of staying in the AMC charter side of things. We of course do some of that here, but only 10% of our block hours are done for the DOD. It was 90%+ where I just came from...
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KYTBRD View Post
An interesting paragraph from the June 2013 GAO report on Military Airlift:

"After the drawdown in Afghanistan concludes, the need for airlift is expected to decline, which will reduce both training opportunities and the business available for CRAF participants. In addition, as airlift needs decrease, DOD may need to fly a higher percentage of its channel missions in order to provide its crews with sufficient training opportunities, which could further decrease its use of CRAF participants. DOD officials told us that they expect peacetime business to fall significantly after fiscal year 2015. This decrease has already begun; peacetime revenues of CRAF participants have already dropped by nearly one third, from their high point of approximately $3 billion in fiscal year 2010 to about $2 billion in fiscal year 2012, as shown in figure 5. Commercial carriers are projected to be used even less in fiscal year 2013 and beyond, until revenues return to pre-September 11, 2001 levels of $700 million or less. This represents a potential 66 percent decline in DOD business available to CRAF participants, which may further exacerbate the economic pressures under which CRAF participants are operating."

An interesting read if you have the time on those long legs to ICN,NGO.....

http://www.gao.gov/assets/660/655338.pdf
Which is what management has been saying and prepping for about 4 years now....
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by KYTBRD View Post
An interesting read if you have the time on those long legs to ICN,NGO.....
Speaking of long legs, you just reminded me...

Crew rest area for the 747 folks:



Crew rest seats on the 767s doing NRT to SYD/ SYD to ICN:



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Old 06-25-2013, 02:16 PM
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Speaking of long legs, you just reminded me...

Crew rest area for the 747 folks:



Crew rest seats on the 767s doing NRT to SYD/ SYD to ICN:



Seems about right. And don't forget the jacuzzi in the 74 near the wet bar ...
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:51 PM
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Different reasons for different folks...are we gonna have this "mine is bigger than yours" discussion again?!!

I can have that discussion too then...

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Old 06-25-2013, 05:22 PM
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744driver, I'm on the 767 and loving it. Haven't met any un-cool 747 crews at all. I did have the opportunity to use the bunk on the 747 one time. It was glorious.
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NightIP View Post
A big reason I was concerned about the future of staying in the AMC charter side of things. We of course do some of that here, but only 10% of our block hours are done for the DOD. It was 90%+ where I just came from...
10% of your 767 pax jets block hours are DOD ? much higher I would suspect ---maybe 10 for the whole company totals - but the pax jets will
need something else to do - your past company has expanded to other areas and 90% was at one time but it is lower now
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:31 PM
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744driver, I'm on the 767 and loving it. Haven't met any un-cool 747 crews at all. I did have the opportunity to use the bunk on the 747 one time. It was glorious.
Absolutely right...the bunks make those long legs kinda okay to do...still too long, but becomes manageable with the right crew.
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Old 06-25-2013, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dc10pilot View Post
10% of your 767 pax jets block hours are DOD ? much higher I would suspect ---maybe 10 for the whole company totals - but the pax jets will
need something else to do - your past company has expanded to other areas and 90% was at one time but it is lower now
10% for the whole company. The latest information from the company was ~18,500 block hours being done for the DOD this year out of a total of ~185,000. I don't have figures by fleet, but only 3 of the 11 767s on property are doing DOD work. 7 are DHL freighters, and the VIP 767 should be showing up sometime soon. Good to see the Big O being aggressive about new civilian work.

By the way, I agree with the 747 bunk...I got a few hours in on a HKG-ANC deadhead. Color me jealous. Best I've done recently was fold down the supernumerary seats on the 767 and grab about an hour of sleep on SYD-NRT.
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Originally Posted by 744driver View Post
http://www.air-america.net/images/SAT/sat-capt.jpg

Different reasons for different folks...are we gonna have this "mine is bigger than yours" discussion again?!!

I can have that discussion too then...

http://www.multiplestreamsofincome.n...0cash%2035.jpg
Oh don't get me wrong, 744. I'll be a light twin driver the instant "the opportunity" presents itself. 'Till then, we'll try to save you the right side during your DH's. Just don't run the wet bar out of ice.

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