thesandbox

Get it out of your heads that it doesn't work for ACMI.....I did it for years at one.
Worked great for us and the company (ownerss) still made plenty of money.

744driver

Wow, that is a harsh verdict on the ExCo...I have a few thoughts!!

1. Have you called the ExCo and talked "our Chairman"? I'm sure he'd be glad to receive your call and tell you what he's been up to...I've done that on several times and have always reached him.

2. Before you start flinging stuff at everyone else, how about taking a look around you...I can name a thousand instances that our own pilots have sabotaged our cause. Every time you accept an assignment, a sub-standard hotel, a sleepy van driver in Shanghai, etc and NOT call the company on their folly, you are an accomplice.

3. Have you offered to help? Are you on a Union committee? Are you willing to work from within and fix things...

4. Feel free to PM me and we can talk about this...I'm not too keen on airing our dirty laundry here. I'll be happy to tell you who I am, and we can figure this out...

I'm not trying to pick on you here...I'm just tired of the negative comments from our own group that don't really have the full picture...

recce hellcat

i agree with 744driver. this thread is about getting hired by atlas, not a gripe fest on atlas or its local union. you can do that on the union forum. this thread is to help pilots get through the interview process with atlas, (if and when that happens again.)

fly safe and NEVER fly fatigued....

744driver

Thanks, recce...

Other point here also is that I bet you could find guys complaining about the company, the union, other pilots, the wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend, etc within any group...

I'm sure to some extent this is fine because the prospective Atlas pilots are learning a thing or two in these pages (even the last few!!) but a better place for at least some of the discussion is on a private forum, email, phone, etc...

Happy Holidays...
744driver

Talon1011

I agree completely. The thread is again drifting from a valuable hiring aid into a version of Flightinfo.com. It's OK to vent and our first amendment rights are alive and well (at least on these forums if not in our nation any more) but that sort of thing belongs in its own thread.

f10a

On the other hand, is it not prudent to also show the various shortcomings Atlas has so that an applicant can be best informed of what they might be getting themselves into, kool-aid notwithstanding?

742Dash

The shortcomings are pretty clear, I think. These last few pages show the inevitable frustrations of working for an operation that markets itself as being flexible. And throughout this thread we have seen guys talking about the constant schedule changes.

Maybe the young blood will change this place into something like Delta, but I doubt it. Atlas is what it is, and squatting when a customer says "sh*t" is a fundamental part of its business plan and marketing.

It is a mistake for someone to come here if they can not accept that, and I say that as someone who does not like it. But that is part of why they pay me to do it.

744driver

Agreed, 742...and we all should band together, follow the letter of the CBA, and expect to be paid a fair price in exchange for my flexibility.

That price is paid out to us in the terms of our next CBA...pay rates, work rules, retirement, and other QOL issues.

Remember we are in negotiations for our next contract right now (figuratively speaking, of course). And your solidarity, and how you make every decision (whether or not to follow the CBA language) during the course of a pairing matters...

NightIP

Indeed. The "That won't work here" attitude is how we ended up with a bottom-rung CBA at my last airline. I even sent the Negotiating Committee a copy of the Atlas CBA, and all I got back were more excuses.

I can tell you that the last people I want on a future NC here are the "That won't work here" crowd. We get what we negotiate.

742Dash

Do you have an example of when I have not followed the CBA?