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Old 06-28-2014, 01:37 PM   #8881  
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Rumor I heard was only 14 in the pool now. New class starting tomorrow with another scheduled in July. Next interviews in August.

I'm just a mushroom, so take that for what you paid for it.

Also, lots of suits from up north wandering the halls of the training center lately. So, we all suspect something's up...


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Old 06-28-2014, 01:58 PM   #8882  
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Rumor I heard was only 14 in the pool now. New class starting tomorrow with another scheduled in July. Next interviews in August.

I'm just a mushroom, so take that for what you paid for it.

Also, lots of suits from up north wandering the halls of the training center lately. So, we all suspect something's up...


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There were more 777 rumors earlier this month when I was down there for PT. More people are supposedly getting typed. Hopefully they're true...
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Old 06-28-2014, 04:00 PM   #8883  
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Carlson told our new hire class they were very close to a deal on the 777. But, they had been close before and not able to seal it. So it could go either way. Basically, it sounded like they were in the final stages of negotiating something with two potential clients.


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Carlson told our new hire class they were very close to a deal on the 777. But, they had been close before and not able to seal it. So it could go either way. Basically, it sounded like they were in the final stages of negotiating something with two potential clients.


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That's pretty much the exact rumor I got from my sim instructor... For what it's worth...
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Old 06-28-2014, 05:31 PM   #8885  
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Jay of course we are good and most of us enjoy spirited conversations, me included. No worries!

As for reserve for 15 years, plan on being treated as a reserve until we plug the many holes acknowledged in this contract are closed hopefully in 16. Company wants flexibility we should have rules that are commensurate and compensate with give and take. Company is allowed to run all over the contract yet we do nothing but hold the line and file grievances. If they want AQP and the like bend them over for collective abuses. make it benefit us exclusively for once, jeez have they not bought enough stock back! I know once we have 100% solidarity we'll hold the cards...really!?

Tired of the excuses for being outfoxed that is all. I wish all those well trying to get here and for those elected to maintain the balance.
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If what you want is a 3/4 schedule, reserve for 15 or so years...then this isn't where you want to be.
The reserve comment was meant to reference legacy carriers. You really don't have any basis to make the claim about it here other than an assumption about negotiating timelines. The contract has a 270 day early opener and I doubt you can point to any contract that has as many years as you allude to close.

Assuming that this is the first contract you have worked under, it's important to understand that first contracts (and the JCBA is a first for the combined groups)...fall into one of two categories. They either address pay or work rules. Substantial pay increases were made and some work rule changes were attained under the arbitrator. Which means the next agreement builds on the pay, while further tackling work rules and loopholes that are found during the contract period.

While no one likes having to follow the grievance route, it's the law under the RLA. The other option is no legal redress and allowing the company to do even more of whatever they want.

Something everyone here should keep in mind as there is one political party who wants to strip you of even those meager protections and allow the company to move the jobs offshore.

For anyone who doesn't get that, ask the senior guys about a little place called AACS. And what the union did...and how long it took...to end it.

Bottom line. If the union hadn't stopped it? You wouldn't be here.
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Carlson told our new hire class they were very close to a deal on the 777. But, they had been close before and not able to seal it. So it could go either way. Basically, it sounded like they were in the final stages of negotiating something with two potential clients.


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Combining to latest contract discussions and this comment it would seem to me that it would be best for the company to fix some of the issues sooner than later (before 2016) for which folks are leaving to the legacy carriers. If we're merely replacing retirees, longterm medicals, and younger folks leaving for Legacy carriers then how could we ever hope to have enough crews to expand? I for one would love to see a new deal, but it seems were' breaking even now on the number of crew members. For all the hiring that's been done over the past 16 months we still have relatively the same number of pilots.
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That's the dilemma for them. If we were to get just $10K each out of a new deal, that would cost the company $10 Mil. What would the new work bring in in profit? IF less than $10 Mil, it ain't worth it for them in the long run. And they still face 2016.
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Ah, but what does it cost to train each new hire to replace each defector, especially after August when each 747 FO who leaves could trigger two training events?


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The old cost was about $20k for a 747-400 type, not sure what a 767 type costs. That cost was if you went and bought one. Our training center is up and running 24/7 anyway, so not sure what our actual cost is. J.C. has said that if an NH stays a year, they break even. Now the double thing adjusts that.
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The old cost was about $20k for a 747-400 type, not sure what a 767 type costs. That cost was if you went and bought one. Our training center is up and running 24/7 anyway, so not sure what our actual cost is. J.C. has said that if an NH stays a year, they break even. Now the double thing adjusts that.
Yeah... The training costs sound like a big deal to us but to them I'm sure they're not. Add in the fact that a new hire gets $75 an hour and a 50 hour guarantee and I'm sure it's not that big of a deal at all.

In reality, the only way that I think they'll be concerned about attrition will be if they can't move airplanes. I bet it is a concern if they have contracts out there that they can't fill because they know they can't grow our pilot group too...
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