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Old 02-20-2017, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER View Post
To pull out the old hack of "if it's so bad, why don't you just leave" is an extremely insulting and antagonistic thing to say to fellow pilots. It is totally appropriate to complain about the job I have AND warn others about coming to work at Atlas. There are many, many pilots trying to leave and who will leave when they get the chance, but because they haven't yet left that is by no means an endorsement of the company nor is it a reason to suggest that Atlas applicants should come here to work. Sometimes the people in a burning building are stuck there and cant break the window to jump, or want to wait for the firemen to bring the net, or believe it will eventually rain, but that doesn't mean that they would recommend that you take the elevator up to their office for an interview.

Unionism is not about helping yourself, it's all about helping out the group, including the group of guys that are trying to establish careers for themselves. In the long run, helping out the group IS helping yourself. Yes, you can say that any job is better than none, but that is not necessarily true. The future of Atlas is VERY uncertain right now and in the next year, a new hire may very well: 1. be furloughed, 2. be on strike, 3. be fired because of training issues, or 4. miss the hiring wave at other, more stable and rewarding airlines, etc., etc.

People come to these boards to get information and opinions. The current information contains facts that point to Atlas being a very bad place to work based on many, many popular and important factors. So if you "will never say to anyone what they should or shouldn't do" that is your prerogative, but that doesn't give you the right to criticize others for trying to help aspiring applicants make informed decisions.



Dave I know you've only been here two years or so and you are certainly entitled to your opinion but, as they say, you are not entitled to your own facts. Atlas does not follow the contract. Every day, there are scheduling issues, payroll issues, hotel issues, travel issues, training issues, catering issues, etc., etc. Every day. And these are not mistakes, it is a systemic culture within Atlas operations to disregard our contract. We have had this contract for five years and they STILL violate it on a daily basis. The sad part is that many pilots never know their contractual rights are being violated. The other sad part is that the company could fix most all of these violations very easily.

But the most egregious violation that we live with every day is the company's refusal to continue section 6 contract negotiations. This failure is costing you time, health, and a lot of pay every day, and yet you somehow cannot bring yourself to bring this paramount issue to the attention of Atlas applicants. That's fine if you have some real reason for keeping yourself out of that discussion, but you have spent the last 12 posts criticizing others for bringing this and other problems to the attention of applicants while defending your own position that things aren't so bad here.

The stress caused by Atlas management's refusal to follow our contract, to negotiate in good faith, and their recent decision to sue us, their own employees, is what is creating the toxic work environment, not interpersonal issues among the crews. Airline pilots are constantly trained to mitigate problems and reduce cockpit stress. Unfortunately, the decisions made by the management group at Atlas have increased this stress exponentially.

Safety is no longer their number one concern.

Money is.


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The funny thing is that on this pattern alone (10 days). I've had to call the company 3 times on BLATANT contract violations AND get the Union involved once. There is clear systematic intimidation going on here. Period. My apps aren't out at Regionals because I'm almost a 747 Captain here, but even once I am a Captain I'll leave if offered.
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Old 02-21-2017, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 View Post
The funny thing is that on this pattern alone (10 days). I've had to call the company 3 times on BLATANT contract violations AND get the Union involved once. There is clear systematic intimidation going on here. Period. My apps aren't out at Regionals because I'm almost a 747 Captain here, but even once I am a Captain I'll leave if offered.

"Blatent"...."clear systemic"........give it a rest already.


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Victim mentality is an acquired (learned) personality trait in which a person tends to regard themselves as a victim of the negative actions of others, and to behave as if this were the case even in the lack of clear evidence of such circumstances. Victim mentality depends on habitual thought processes and attribution.
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Old 02-21-2017, 05:29 AM
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Yes there are issues at Atlas but when EACH and EVERY post is Atlas this and Atlas that, you sound like a broken record. We heard you the first multitude of times saying exactly the same thing. The only thing Complaining will get you is criticism for complaining and the message gets lost. Why don't you have a nice warm glass of shut the hell up (happy gilmore reference).

Quite honestly, I am surprised that anyone who purportedly has called in so many times to complain about "blatant and systemic contract violations" hasn't been fired already for harassment.

This thread is called "Atlas hiring", not "Atlas whining". So, let the guys who want to come to Atlas ask questions about coming here....even at their own "peril" so to speak. I am sure after 1500+ pages they get the message about the systemic and blatant contract violations already.
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Old 02-21-2017, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Davetastic View Post
Yes there are issues at Atlas but when EACH and EVERY post is Atlas this and Atlas that, you sound like a broken record. We heard you the first multitude of times saying exactly the same thing. The only thing Complaining will get you is criticism for complaining and the message gets lost. Why don't you have a nice warm glass of shut the hell up (happy gilmore reference).

Quite honestly, I am surprised that anyone who purportedly has called in so many times to complain about "blatant and systemic contract violations" hasn't been fired already for harassment.

This thread is called "Atlas hiring", not "Atlas whining". So, let the guys who want to come to Atlas ask questions about coming here....even at their own "peril" so to speak.
Mr Tastic.......time to $TFU.
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Atrasaty View Post
Mr Tastic.......time to $TFU.

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I just call it like I see it. We ALL get the message that YOU and globemaster and 8 have all been saying. You have beaten the proverbial dead horse to a pulp. Let's move on. Now, If there are candidates out there that have a real question, I am sure that the posters that have shied away from coming here because of all of the whining can actually enjoy coming back here to answer questions without the EXAGGermeter being on full blast.
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Davetastic View Post
Quite honestly, I am surprised that anyone who purportedly has called in so many times to complain about "blatant and systemic contract violations" hasn't been fired already for harassment.
You made lots of pilot friends with that one Dave. Following the contract is harassing the company?!? That's why people are leaving, moral sucks, and you and management are losing.
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:27 AM
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Congrats on starting your third year Dave.
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Old 02-21-2017, 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by CandlerKid View Post
You made lots of pilot friends with that one Dave. Following the contract is harassing the company?!? That's why people are leaving, moral sucks, and you and management are losing.

I would say the same thing in the airplane if people complained as much as they do here. But the reality is THEY DON'T. This is a web board and stories are wildly exaggerated.

I am not a management puke either.....Do you people actually read what I post or do you all suffer from internet hero syndrome just waiting on the opportunity to jump on someone who isn't in lock step with your opinions. I come on here and try to temper the argument with centered examples, tell people to quite whining and you accuse me of being in bed with management? Listen to yourself. I am on your side man!!! .....just not exaggeratedly so.

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Congrats on starting your third year Dave.

Thanks......uh.....what's your point? ....or is this your "clever" way of saying, "I know who you are.....and I know what you did last summer!".
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Old 02-21-2017, 07:08 AM
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Honest questions to anybody interested in applying to or working for Atlas: The Company is suing the group you intend to join; do you think joining a group that will be dogged in the court system (lawsuit/arbitrations/whatever else), potentially for years, is a good career move even if you are coming from a worse place? Do you think pursuing to work for a Company that is willing to sue the source of 90+% of their revenue generation is a good idea? Really, Im curious how the outsiders view these recent events. One things for sure, it'll be one insane ride!
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