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05-14-2018, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Davetastic
See above.
And please don’t mistake my responses to your posts as indications that I have any inkling of care with regard to you or your meaningless and insignificant opinions. I don’t. Nor should I. I care only for the integrity of this longstanding thread which at this point you are clearly tainting for your own personal reasons.
Your desperation to debate is a bit sad and misdirected. Perhaps you should join a debate team...
05-14-2018, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JT8D
Sorry snowflake, but I have not personally attacked you anywhere. You clearly have no concept of what a personal attack actually is.
And please don’t mistake my responses to your posts as indications that I have any inkling of care with regard to you or your meaningless and insignificant opinions. I don’t. Nor should I. I care only for the integrity of this longstanding thread which at this point you are clearly tainting for your own personal reasons.
Your desperation to debate is a bit sad and misdirected. Perhaps you should join a debate team...
And please don’t mistake my responses to your posts as indications that I have any inkling of care with regard to you or your meaningless and insignificant opinions. I don’t. Nor should I. I care only for the integrity of this longstanding thread which at this point you are clearly tainting for your own personal reasons.
Your desperation to debate is a bit sad and misdirected. Perhaps you should join a debate team...
05-14-2018, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Davetastic
You surely can use some fancy psych words there buckaroo!
Again, you clearly have no concept of what a personal attack actually is, and your desperation to debate anything and everything is sad and misplaced. Go ahead, look into joining that debate team...
05-14-2018, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JT8D
Sorry snowflake, but I have not personally attacked you anywhere. You clearly have no concept of what a personal attack actually is.
Originally Posted by JT8D
You called me buckaroo. That’s a name. Should I whine about personal attacks too?
Again, you clearly have no concept of what a personal attack actually is, and your desperation to debate anything and everything is sad and misplaced. Go ahead, look into joining that debate team...
Again, you clearly have no concept of what a personal attack actually is, and your desperation to debate anything and everything is sad and misplaced. Go ahead, look into joining that debate team...
Buckaroo was my attempt at levity. You on the other hand belittle people and call people "immature idiots", and "snowflakes". That is what I define as a personal attack.
If you don't like to respond to what I have to say, then just ignore me.
Last edited by Davetastic; 05-14-2018 at 07:46 AM.
05-14-2018, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
No one has personally attacked you, Bungalow. I think most are just growing weary from your long-winded diatribes that just go round and round and round. Let’s just leave it at the “agree to disagree” and move on.
Last edited by Davetastic; 05-14-2018 at 08:12 AM.
05-14-2018, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Davetastic
BUAHHAHAHHAHAA. Really?! Insult me by calling me "snowflake" and in the SAME sentence say that you have NOT personally attacked me??!! BUAHAHAHAHAHAH!
See how we have drifted?
Buckaroo was my attempt at levity. You on the other hand call people "immature idiots". That is what I define as a personal attack.
If you don't like to respond to what I have to say, then just ignore me.
See how we have drifted?
Buckaroo was my attempt at levity. You on the other hand call people "immature idiots". That is what I define as a personal attack.
If you don't like to respond to what I have to say, then just ignore me.
Originally Posted by JT8D
Passing blind and blanket judgment on complete strangers because of their personal financial decisions is the mark of an immature idiot.
On second thought maybe you wouldn’t be so great on a debate team after all...
05-14-2018, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
To virtually everyone you say their opinion is wrong.
If someone says that the union strategy is good, you'll say it is bad. To someone who says that we have high attrition, you say we don't. To someone who says that life at Atlas is toxic, you say it isn't. There has hardly been a negative opinion post about Atlas that you have not contested in the last year.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I don't deny that but do not pretend to be offended when others say that your opinion is wrong when you do that all the time. But the horse you are beating has long since turned into dust.
You also mislead and falsify. When you say that you were "mocked by you and other union reps" you imply that I am a union rep. I am absolutely not a union representative. I am a strong union supporter, but do not hold any position in the union other than member. I assume this is your "equivalent" to your being labeled a "company guy". I can understand your thought process on this one because it fairly well depicts our differences. I support the union. You do not.
Further more, you act offended by "name calling" when you say things like the following:
Readers will clearly come to their own opinion on that post ...
As to your assertion that your almighty original question has not been answered, I say you are wrong.
I know that life at Atlas sucks right now only because management has taken a very bad stance on our contract negotiations. I post my opinions here. I believe that aspiring Atlas pilots need to hear this. Getting information on a prospective job is why they read these messages. You feel that any resulting attrition will not affect contract negotiations. Yet not only do you offer no options, but you persist in the belief that the best way to change the course of the union is to incessantly blast away on these boards instead of personally engaging your union representatives and offering constructive criticism.
Either that or maybe you just like to argue for arguments sake.
Either way, you are in a very tiny minority of posters who offer nothing constructive to your fellow Atlas pilots or aspiring Atlas pilots.
Just arguments.
Like the one you'll be posting in next. Unfortunately.
If someone says that the union strategy is good, you'll say it is bad. To someone who says that we have high attrition, you say we don't. To someone who says that life at Atlas is toxic, you say it isn't. There has hardly been a negative opinion post about Atlas that you have not contested in the last year.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I don't deny that but do not pretend to be offended when others say that your opinion is wrong when you do that all the time. But the horse you are beating has long since turned into dust.
You also mislead and falsify. When you say that you were "mocked by you and other union reps" you imply that I am a union rep. I am absolutely not a union representative. I am a strong union supporter, but do not hold any position in the union other than member. I assume this is your "equivalent" to your being labeled a "company guy". I can understand your thought process on this one because it fairly well depicts our differences. I support the union. You do not.
Further more, you act offended by "name calling" when you say things like the following:
Readers will clearly come to their own opinion on that post ...
As to your assertion that your almighty original question has not been answered, I say you are wrong.
I know that life at Atlas sucks right now only because management has taken a very bad stance on our contract negotiations. I post my opinions here. I believe that aspiring Atlas pilots need to hear this. Getting information on a prospective job is why they read these messages. You feel that any resulting attrition will not affect contract negotiations. Yet not only do you offer no options, but you persist in the belief that the best way to change the course of the union is to incessantly blast away on these boards instead of personally engaging your union representatives and offering constructive criticism.
Either that or maybe you just like to argue for arguments sake.
Either way, you are in a very tiny minority of posters who offer nothing constructive to your fellow Atlas pilots or aspiring Atlas pilots.
Just arguments.
Like the one you'll be posting in next. Unfortunately.
With regard to the attrition campaign, I have asked and not been answered that if it is so effective, why do people keep applying? I have never said that attrition isn't high. The numbers you quote may be accurate but it has apparently not curtailed hiring.
Blasting away on these boards is exactly what you and others are doing too!! It is hypocritical for you to say it ok for you and others but not for me. And it does not mean that I believe that it is the best way to institute change!! You don't know if I talk to reps or not, nor do you know know if I offer constructive feedback so don't assume that you know me or what I have accomplished.
I know you and others believe that picketing, and BOOT and SHOP are constructive ways to demonstrate support for the union but I do not. I believe that picketing does nothing more than stir up sentiment which does nothing in a legal battle.
One of my solutions is to not waste assessment money and other union funds to purchase picketing items and stickers and all of the other frivolous things when that money could be better spent on researching case precedent for a legal strategy that we need for a better contract.
05-14-2018, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Davetastic
More belittling.... A personal attack.
Last edited by JT8D; 05-14-2018 at 08:18 AM.
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