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07-11-2018, 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by suddenimpact
I agree, we will do better with a Section 6 negotiation (strike). Unfortunately, we are kind of tied to our scope clause under section 1 of our contract and I expect us loosing that in court and the later arbitration the court will kick it back to.
07-11-2018, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RyeMex
Sudden, what lawsuit are you referring to? There are no more lawsuits (right now). Arbitrators have been selected. Dates have been set. If you're unaware of this, it makes it seem as though you don't really know what you are talking about with regards to current events at Atlas.
Mouthful of stuff to say and easy to get lost in the legal crap. I didn't do a great job on it and it wasn't very well explained before in the Chairman's Update 6-19-2018. It's still up on the union site if you want to cross check me or you can try to make the Atlas/Southern call that was recently changed to July 24 if you check your email. I'm sure it will come up again there or just ask on the call.
So yes, there is still a company lawsuit against us unless something more recent changed that.
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I along with everyone else here noted the edited names (*) in previous posts all of a sudden. Got a few emails on it myself. Guessing a complaint was made and the moderators here decided to edit them because I called DC8DRIVER by his first name. Everything with a * was modified by someone else, not me. Not sure if they removed the news links on purpose or just as a result of their name editing unknowingly.
Funny how turning on the lights can cause the roaches to scatter.
This kind of brings up the fact that it doesn't take the company's social media monitors much via subpoena or using similar methods I use to identify posters. In the company's case, I know of a couple of our guys that got taken hostage and fired for getting too lippy and threatening. When I tracked for the union, the offenders sabotaging our previous leaderships efforts got elected to office without charges filed. Our current administration doesn't have a problem making up false charges just to make a point or for a sound bite on crew calls exampled by the FPL amendment that passed resulting in wasting a lot of time and money for all. Maybe they paid themselves more UB/FPL pay for their the time used.
07-11-2018, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by suddenimpact
Yes, both you and Talon have been informative according to your leaderships wishes over the years after my short review. To include the early and latest mandates given by the past and current ExCos, in which you have complied with exuberantly with each.
I agree, we will do better with a Section 6 negotiation (strike). Unfortunately, we are kind of tied to our scope clause under section 1 of our contract and I expect us loosing that in court and the later arbitration the court will kick it back to. Not dissimilar to how the company wanted to back out of the same section one language of the contract on strike/picket line crossing in court recently they lost. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black scenario in reverse reading the language of the CBA.
Dude*, I see your on LMED as of May 2018 seniority list. Hope your OK despite our dislike of each other. Have had my own over the years here at Atlas. Cancer and a few altercations requiring recovery. Is __ granting you donated LMED leave from the crewmember donated medical bank since you only got hired back in 2011 or UB/FPL? I myself never asked for it while still continuing to volunteer despite the tubes going in and out of me. Now I see why you have well over 1000 posts to my less than 100. Lots of time to lurk and post.
You being hired around thirty days of __ didn't helped either. Just makes you tainted with the Nexgen slate stench. A slate that accomplished nothing of their promises to the membership that got them elected. As a matter of fact, the FPL amendment I supported and helped get done did that and more.
I'm sadden about the hijacking of this thread also. One of the ExCo taking it upon themselves to carry on there agenda using selective history recall and posting it here. Leaving out a lot of what we are now repeating from the Atlas/Polar merger.
Talon, you've been somewhat civil. I'm not anti-union as I have been labeled by __ before and after the FPL amendment vote. I have decades of direct involvement before his recent rise to repeat history again, minus the his jail time.
I could go on, but lets head back to the 1224 forums for that for however long that may last. Although our leadership is doing it's best to kill it.
Currently Atlas leadership says the forums are down. One level up at 1224 they say it's still up and the Atlas ExCo has only withdrawn their moderators to approve posts. So we are left with only the non-Atlas moderators to approve posts and they have according to the TOS published. Maybe that is better considering the past deletions, censoring, ignoring and etc by the Atlas moderators. Unfortunately, part is that there are few 1224 moderators so posting is slow.
I agree, we will do better with a Section 6 negotiation (strike). Unfortunately, we are kind of tied to our scope clause under section 1 of our contract and I expect us loosing that in court and the later arbitration the court will kick it back to. Not dissimilar to how the company wanted to back out of the same section one language of the contract on strike/picket line crossing in court recently they lost. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black scenario in reverse reading the language of the CBA.
Dude*, I see your on LMED as of May 2018 seniority list. Hope your OK despite our dislike of each other. Have had my own over the years here at Atlas. Cancer and a few altercations requiring recovery. Is __ granting you donated LMED leave from the crewmember donated medical bank since you only got hired back in 2011 or UB/FPL? I myself never asked for it while still continuing to volunteer despite the tubes going in and out of me. Now I see why you have well over 1000 posts to my less than 100. Lots of time to lurk and post.
You being hired around thirty days of __ didn't helped either. Just makes you tainted with the Nexgen slate stench. A slate that accomplished nothing of their promises to the membership that got them elected. As a matter of fact, the FPL amendment I supported and helped get done did that and more.
I'm sadden about the hijacking of this thread also. One of the ExCo taking it upon themselves to carry on there agenda using selective history recall and posting it here. Leaving out a lot of what we are now repeating from the Atlas/Polar merger.
Talon, you've been somewhat civil. I'm not anti-union as I have been labeled by __ before and after the FPL amendment vote. I have decades of direct involvement before his recent rise to repeat history again, minus the his jail time.
I could go on, but lets head back to the 1224 forums for that for however long that may last. Although our leadership is doing it's best to kill it.
Currently Atlas leadership says the forums are down. One level up at 1224 they say it's still up and the Atlas ExCo has only withdrawn their moderators to approve posts. So we are left with only the non-Atlas moderators to approve posts and they have according to the TOS published. Maybe that is better considering the past deletions, censoring, ignoring and etc by the Atlas moderators. Unfortunately, part is that there are few 1224 moderators so posting is slow.
For those aspiring to be Atlas pilots, I promise you that we're not all the kind of people who call you out by name to flaunt your personal status on line. Most of us are pretty good folks who have sound judgement and decent morals when it comes to spirited discussions and disagreements.
So, I'm happy to respond to folks who want my honest opinion of how things are at Atlas, but I'll never be able to stoop as low as some of the antagonists that post here.
07-11-2018, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by suddenimpact
I'm referring to the company filed lawsuit on the grievance the company filed on us and we ignored it. We didn't process it via the grievance protocols. That company lawsuit is to compel us to follow the grievance procedure and will probably just end with an order for us to go thru the section 19 process on the company's grievance. Will probably end in an arbitration on that grievnce to determine if we are going to be section 1 (amalgamation) or RLA section 6 (able to strike) negotiations.
Mouthful of stuff to say and easy to get lost in the legal crap. I didn't do a great job on it and it wasn't very well explained before in the Chairman's Update 6-19-2018. It's still up on the union site if you want to cross check me or you can try to make the Atlas/Southern call that was recently changed to July 24 if you check your email. I'm sure it will come up again there or just ask on the call.
So yes, there is still a company lawsuit against us unless something more recent changed that.
Mouthful of stuff to say and easy to get lost in the legal crap. I didn't do a great job on it and it wasn't very well explained before in the Chairman's Update 6-19-2018. It's still up on the union site if you want to cross check me or you can try to make the Atlas/Southern call that was recently changed to July 24 if you check your email. I'm sure it will come up again there or just ask on the call.
So yes, there is still a company lawsuit against us unless something more recent changed that.
The lawsuit was concluded months ago. In fact, the very Chairman’s update that you cited provides the dates for when the Atlas and Southern arbitration hearings with regard to Section 6 VS successorship will be heard. Again, this just makes it seem like you aren’t fully aware of what’s actually going on at the moment at Atlas.
07-11-2018, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RyeMex
Sudden,
The lawsuit was concluded months ago. In fact, the very Chairman’s update that you cited provides the dates for when the Atlas and Southern arbitration hearings with regard to Section 6 VS successorship will be heard. Again, this just makes it seem like you aren’t fully aware of what’s actually going on at the moment at Atlas.
The lawsuit was concluded months ago. In fact, the very Chairman’s update that you cited provides the dates for when the Atlas and Southern arbitration hearings with regard to Section 6 VS successorship will be heard. Again, this just makes it seem like you aren’t fully aware of what’s actually going on at the moment at Atlas.
Even if it eventually gets a legal pass from the courts to force its amalgamation-by-arbitration process on the pilots (and that is still a very big “if”), the company will, by that time, find itself in an even deeper hole than it has already dug for itself. Even if it secures its amalgamation-by-arbitration process, the company still must engage in a time-consuming bargaining charade where it pretends to negotiate for a year in order to enter the interest arbitrationphase. Realistically, even if it obtains the ability to force the amalgamate-by-arbitration process upon us, the company faces a timeline that looks like this:
Here is the PDF of the order no one seems able to provide here.
07-12-2018, 01:18 PM
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On a lighter note.....the Purchase spin machine just announced a GOFLO....the lucky pilots of GOjets get a guaranteed interview to serve Atlas after a qualifying peroiod of purgatory at the aforementioned. I find it kind of ironic as I just flew with an FO who applied to Envoy to joins as a DEC. The circle of life at the bottom of the pond.
07-12-2018, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Atrasaty
On a lighter note.....the Purchase spin machine just announced a GOFLO....the lucky pilots of GOjets get a guaranteed interview to serve Atlas after a qualifying peroiod of purgatory at the aforementioned. I find it kind of ironic as I just flew with an FO who applied to Envoy to joins as a DEC. The circle of life at the bottom of the pond.
07-12-2018, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Atrasaty
On a lighter note.....the Purchase spin machine just announced a GOFLO....the lucky pilots of GOjets get a guaranteed interview to serve Atlas after a qualifying peroiod of purgatory at the aforementioned. I find it kind of ironic as I just flew with an FO who applied to Envoy to joins as a DEC. The circle of life at the bottom of the pond.
Originally Posted by atpcliff
I flew with an FO who was thinking about going to Mountain Air Cargo. They don't have flow through to FedEx, but they have a PRIORITY interview: They get interviewed before anyone else. MAC had a good base location near his home, which was also part of the reason he was considering MAC.
As you can see, a lot of guys get here and immediately apply to go elsewhere. Sometimes it's really not worth going to such a substandard ACMI carrier when you have the ability to reach a higher fruit on the first grab.
07-12-2018, 05:58 PM
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All applicants should do their due diligence.
Don't be THAT new guy who says, "No line protection??? We even had line protection in the regionals!"
AtlasFacts.org
Don't be THAT new guy who says, "No line protection??? We even had line protection in the regionals!"
AtlasFacts.org
07-12-2018, 06:05 PM
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Speaking in broad terms...
Unless you are really serious about jumping on the ACMI program. Absolutely have the burning desire to fly for what basically amounts to a sub-contractor, there should be, in this day and age, no reason or need to put your credentials on the line, potentially putting a high dollar career with a major airline at risk by accepting a position with a service provider airline.
Even if it's just to try it out, you may pink slip the program or get yourself violated on the line and jeopardize your potential going forward.
Buyer beware!
Unless you are really serious about jumping on the ACMI program. Absolutely have the burning desire to fly for what basically amounts to a sub-contractor, there should be, in this day and age, no reason or need to put your credentials on the line, potentially putting a high dollar career with a major airline at risk by accepting a position with a service provider airline.
Even if it's just to try it out, you may pink slip the program or get yourself violated on the line and jeopardize your potential going forward.
Buyer beware!
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