Has anyone recieved a call from ASA?
 

I put my app in 3 weeks ago and still nothing. How quickly have some of you recieved a phone call?

Thanks
N.

I'm in class right now. (Expressjet) everyone here has an internal recommendation. From what I've heard if you don't have a recommendation they don't even look at your app. If you know someone give them a call. If not you might try to get in touch with someone in the hiring office yourself. Good luck.

I got a call 4 months after applying, but I did nothing to speed it along ie no internals, no recs. I interview soon for ExpressJet.

I don't think internal recs are required at all. I got a call with low time, and no recs.

How much time?

how long after you submitted it? Its 4 weeks for me and I got like 5 internal recs. coming from xjt side. I guess I just got to be patient.

900 hours, probably 250 multi. No failed rides! That seems to be a VERY heavily weighted item.

Has anyone had any problems with the application? I tried filling out the Addendum at airline apps. Each time I get to the bottom, I try to save but it says something is missing. The only question I didnt answer are the ones that say "If yes, explain below" or the one asking "If you do not have a passport" but I DO have a passport (the question above). Yet it still says something is incomplete. Any insight?

I clicked "yes" to the passport question, even though I have a valid US one, and I submitted the form without any problem. That's probably what your hold up is.

If I remember correctly I think there is a problem with the website somewhere around the failed orals, checkrides area. I think even if you put 0 for failed rides it still asks for something in the if yes, explain block. Just put "none" there. Thats what I did and it worked.

Let me know if that helps.

N.

I got a call in three days with one internal rec. I have 3000 hours no jet and 1 failed ride

I failed my ASEL when on the final landing (Normal Landing Maneuver)I landed 10 ft short of the aimpoint on a 13,500 ft long runway. It was a mis-communication between me and the examiner when he said within 200ft of the aimpoint and actually meant 200ft at or beyond the aimpoint.

So why do I say this? Because I would hate to think that ASA would not even look at my app for one failed checkride. Some examiners view checkride failure as "everyone should have one" and don't think it has any impact on our careers.

Sorry for the threadjack.

It took my a couple of trys to get it sent but I got a call in 3 days.

ASA Lowered their minimums on Airline Apps from 1000/200 to 500/50. They did this 6 months ago to "as a test to capture more applications".

Anybody know if this another case of the "capturing more applications" or are they actually lowering their minimum hiring requirements?

BTW: They also posted they are hiring on Climb to 350.

I wouldn't use that excuse. Excuses are like bums. Everyones got them, and most of them stink.

You miss the point. It wasn't about making excuses, it was about not hiring anyone who has a checkride failure. Thanks for the enlightenment about excuses, never heard that before...

Interesting. On their [ASA] website though they still have listed ATP, 1500 TT and 300 ME. I listed them as a "targeted" company for Airline apps about 3 months ago and with those new mins, I meet their time (I have ~1000/50ME) and obviously have received no communication. No recs or anything.

Also, the problem I posted previously about seems to have been corrected - IE they removed the extra question about passport that I think might have been causing a problem. We'll see for sure if they really are 500/50. Seems awfully low given this hiring climate but who knows. Stranger things have happened. Maybe I'll get a call! Gotta run, lottery drawings are on!

It's just what their HR has set to their "search criteria" on airline apps. Doesn't necessarily mean they've lowered their mins. Although, they're both connected in my mind.

Hiring climate? There is no hiring climate. There was absolutely nothing going on for 3 years. Most of the people who were hoping for the quick trip to the regionals in 06-08 have since gained many more hours and don't want to work for them (read: regionals). The others that were hoping for a quick trip have since faded away since there's no zero to hero happening right now.

I truly believe that this so called hiring climate is made up. There aren't that many high time pilots willing to work for a regional airline. There are plenty of people out there that meet the mins, they just don't want to do it....
Pinnacle is taking 300 hour wonders again. PDT has hired a few with less than 300.

Once again, my opinion. Which is worth a bum ;)

My friend, I have been flying for 17 years, and I can tell you, that there are two types of pilots: those that have failed check ride, and pilots that will.
However, after going personally through, and administrating so many checkrides events, as well as line checks, I can tell you, that failed event is caused by not one, non-proficient maneuver, but by combination of events that are similar in nature. So if you overshot your landing, and you think that was contributing factor for your failed checkride, I would suggest, that you go over your entire checkride event, and find out way you have been pink "sliped". Good luck in your future aviation endeavors. ;-)

And Again, my point is not about the failed check. The point is about ASA not hiring anyone who has ever failed a check. Please read the thread. And since we are giving out resumes, I've been flying for 25 years and have been both a 121 Check, and a military examiner. Please don't read between the lines.

You have some very good points, but are totally off base with what I'm trying to say.

Let me try this again. This new hiring criteria seems to be centered around the Dash 8 in Buffalo. And now because of this unfortunate accident, the knee jerk reaction is to not hire anyone who has failed a checkride. My original threadjack was that good pilots fail checkrides - as you know.

So lets start on new thread on failed checks and leave this thread to ASA pilot hiring. Thanks

Sorry, but you did kinda bring this on yourself by posting this... Why even mention the bold remarks above? That suggests that you don't take responsibility for your mistakes on the ride, which is why people are responding as such. And although I'm sure you have the experience you say you do, comments like this don't sound like they'd come from a military and 121 check instructor (or someone with 25 years in the field), based on my limited few years in the industry. :cool:

You know, upon further research, I'm not going to completely call bull on this, but it is interesting that you don't seem to have 1500TT/200ME, based on this quote of yours:

I know its not unusual for military pilots to be under 200 ME, but 121 check airmen? Not so sure about that.

Hiring these days is all about recommendations. Nobody will look at your resume without somebody internally pushing your stuff to CPO. Just look at the pool of candidates, we have 4-6K applications on file for 100 seats. To clear things up: You can have failed checkrides, and still get a call for interview in this very competitive environment, as long as somebody says that you are a good guy. During interview, you will have to be honest and explain the circumstances surrounding your failed checkrides. It was the same in mid 90s, 2004, and 2005. As soon as majors start hiring a lot of pilots, regionals will interview anybody that submits an application. However nowadays is still very competitive and you need a recommendation even when your record is clear.
Now, if you have been flying for 25 years, why are you looking at regionals, it is not a place for you, and just because of that, you may not get a call. We don't want to hire somebody, that will be trained for $15K in expenses and then that pilot moves on to a major airline. So you either lie about your background on this forum, or there is something else. I suggest you reexamine your position here. I have participated in a lot of interviews and I'm giving you the best advise. NetJets used to hire IT specialists to track down applicants through the web, and they knew exactly who they were dealing with. Anything posted on public forums is traceable back to you, and before you say anything else, and ask me how is this possible, I can assure you, it is! Just take time and think about it, before your next post. ;)

Hiring style has changed dramatically since Buffalo, we all know this. Many of you have ghosts in the closet including failed check rides, all HR is trying to do is get you to fess up to them. Low timers like Jetlink may not understand why experienced pilots end up at regionals, such as lacking recency of experience. This is a hard number just as TT and ME time, however with 34 years of flying you pick up on all of these hiddens. The philosophy here is simple, they're hiring someone with a strong 121 background, check airman, current CFI, and no busts. It's simply more cost effective in training and OE. If they get their six months or a year out of you so be it, they're still ahead.

Regional are for guys with lack of recency of experience, well you are an expert in 121 operations. I'm just trying to help guys here, but see that it is pointless since forms are packed with "pilots wanabes" like you. Keep dreaming my friend...
Looking at your activity on this forum, you are "highly" experienced. All I have to do just look at your posts and starter posts and I know how "narrow body" you are. This is really entertaining...:D

You missed the point which is regionals are willing to hire pilots with a lack of recent experience, I am telling this first hand as until recently all of my tickets read 19xx on them for dates. What I was able to accomplish was obtain a first class, a BFR, picked a used 150 (narrow body) in order to gain some experience. I then flew with a DPE, got a new CFI, and placed this newly kindled experience at the very top of my resume. Dream? I have three offers and now need to determine who has the better deal. I am simply proving that it can be done, and I hope others may benefit from this knowledge.