American Eagle Hiring Mins Lowered to 500 hrs
 

Hey fourm. just wanted to drop in and tell you who's hiring. I'm still in training so this is not for me.lol

American Eagle Airlines is excited to announce that we have adjusted our current hiring minimum. Our hiring goals are expected to exceed 670 pilots in 2011, and we foresee hiring to continue into 2012. Our new hiring minimums are as follows:

• 500 Total Time with 50 Multi-Engine
• Successful completion of the Recruitment Process
• Successful completion of ATP’s Regional Jet Standards Course (Paid in full by American Eagle Airlines)
• Two year signed commitment to fly for American Eagle Airlines

For pilots who have 800 total time and 100 multi will not be subject to the Regional Jet Standards Course or the signed two year commitment. If you are interested in a pilot position with American Eagle, please email us at [email protected].
---Airline Apps, Inc., June 23, 2011

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/1011676-post2587.html

Over in the really, really, reallllllly long Eagle post.

I had been hearing and reading since the tail end of last summer that Eagle would never lower their mins below 100 multi because it was demanded of them from their insurance provider. Why the sudden change of heart? I know there are a few things coming up affecting pilot staffing, including:

1. The 1500-hr rule takes effects in 2013
2. Age 65 retirements will be starting in 2012
3. New duty time rules expected out later this year

That said (and I know each of those changes and their associated potential pilot shortages have been discussed heavily in other threads), I'm sure there are plenty of applicants out there with over 100 multi, so why widen the applicant pool?

It's probably something they negotiated involving that RJ course through ATP they'll be sending the low timers to. I figure something along the lines of "well, they'll get X amount of sim time in that RJ course, then we'll give them Y amount of sim time in initial...so by the time they're done they'll have Z 'multi' including sim". Plus, it's an insurance company, you pay them enough and they'll insure anything.

The insurance I carry on my Saratoga can be lowered slightly for attending a WINGS program or similar, and I think many car insurances are the same way with defensive driving (if it wasn't associated with a ticket).

If the minimums weren't good enough, they wouldn't be the minimums....

Until you can't find anyone to work for $1800/month, then you lower them.

The 50 multi is a firm requirement...for now.

While they will become "public" later this year (end of summer possibly?) they wont go into effect for a while, and the "word on the street" is that they will be implemented in stages as to not cause "undue stress" on the airlines....

In other words it aint gonna affect the airlines/pilots for a while. As with any rule change (and any government action for that matter) takes a while to be final....

I ran into a kid the other day who had a job at Air Whiskey a month before he graduated college. Are the regionals already starting to feel the pinch? I imagined they would feel it in a couple of years, but thought they could still have their choice of pilots for the time being?

This is a fairly accurate description. 1500 hiring mins I bet will go active almost immediately, with a grandfather for those who are already in. Duty rules will have to have a trial period with federal oversight. It's going to be at least 12 months before they are the official rules we play by. No one really knows how to build trips or staff for this yet, it takes time. You can't reactionary hire/upgrade for this though. Early next year the wave should begin.

Can't find enough guys to sit 5yr reserve eh :rolleyes:

That was an ignorant post

I jumpseat on American Eagle, SkyWest, Compass & Mesaba, and the stories are all the same: they can't fill their classes with enough new hires, and crews are getting lots of extra pay due to overtime required to offset the shortage of crews. I'm told that the companies are canceling some flights as a result. The pilot shortage is now real at the regionals, and regional flying will shrink as every major airline & cargo company hires next year.

I don't understand this statement. Not being sarcastic by any means. Are you saying just because the majors start hiring they will take back flying that was done by the regionals?

I'm saying regionals won't have enough pilots to live up to their contracts, as regional pilots get pulled out & hired by majors.

Maybe, the Regionals may be able to get the First Officers, easy to get, just lower the minimuns, easy to train in 2-3 months, 4 at the most for Type & 1-2 months for IOE, so 6 months at the most ...

MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION .... where will the captains come from.... Majors & international airlines (Emirates & Qatar & Singapore) will take the all the captains who want to go first, then the super senior co-pilots, NEXT, in the 1-2 years to come, all the co-pilots the reagionals are hiring today & training .......

How will ameriflight & others like them find their guys......???

....But that only works until end of 2012, then there is no way guys are going to get 1500hrs in in a couple months...

I have another idea to fix it. Pay above the poverty level. You can make more at McDonalds then a first officer. I say park the planes.

All in favor?? Aye!! Unfortunately I don't foresee that changing anytime soon... There's an argument for paying new FOs more once they need to meet the 1500 hrs to get hired, but where will that money likely come from? The airline won't want to spend any more money on payroll then they already do, so they'll likely try to pay senior CAs less so they can pay the junior FOs more. That has to happen through a change in contract, and I doubt many (if any) CAs would vote for lesser pay.

Huh??? I can only speak for myself but the first pay check of the month is usually the smallest, (no per diem, over block, ect) the second paycheck includes all of this and averages 1500-2500 dollars take home. So each month I take home a grand total of roughly 2500=slow month to 3500=good month. Thats 30,000yr to 42,000yr. On 1st yr FO pay. Where does a starting Mcdonalds employee make that????

BTW, I hold a 94hr line and each month I over block with max TAFB.

To be fair I was only coming up with that figure based on monthly guarantee. 94hr line seems like some extra flying. Hey they have overtime at Mcdonalds too. Supply and demand will take care of the problem. When you have to have 1500 hrs to work there and all the 65 year olds start retiring the pilot pool will dry up.

Wow, that is a huge raise from my first year (1997) with Bex/AE which not including per diem was 16500. But to be fair my second year I made 18000.

Nope we have many lines that are built 89-98hr lines since I've been here, and I haven't picked up squat. There's lines built from 75hrs-89hrs. It all depends how much you want to work.

I've been waiting for this dream of mine to come true for a few years now. I would like to see the worst of the airlines suffer and be gone from the scene when this happens. To be clear, I'm not wishing that anyone lose their jobs, but that they all pretty much leave voluntarily and simultaneously for better jobs. I can dream, right? What's with this wet-spot in the bed?:cool:


The 1,500 hrs rule, no MPL and scope should be the highest priorities for all pilots right now. After years of low pay and dirt treatment, some airlines have made their bed of rocks and truly hope that they are made to lay in it. We should do all that we can to make sure the airlines don't find some way around these three priorities; let the supply and demand theory work in our favor for once.