Flight crew leasing job openings
07-17-2005, 09:32 PM
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Flight crew leasing jobs
APC has compiled a list of the major flight crew leasing companies (below). The links in most instances will take you directly to the leasing company's current job vacancies.
Many of these leasing companies are in Europe, but the jobs they're trying to fill extend around the world. The key factor in determining whether you're qualified (besides the listed minimum hours and aircraft experience) is that they're accepting of an ICAO ATP (an FAA ATP is ICAO). If the listing requires a JAA or JAR ATPL (a European ATP), you can pass on it. Converting an FAA certificate to JAA/JAR is very expensive and time consuming and impractical for most situations.
Avia Crews*
AviationJobSearch.com
Best Int'l*
Betts Recruitment
Confair Recruitment
Contract Air (click "vacancies")
Direct (click "jobs")
GAP Aviation*
Global Flyers*
Hawaii Aviation*
IAC
IASCO*
PARC
PAS Aviation (click "current vacancies")
Rishworth
Sigmar Aviation
Storm Aviation
World Aviation Systems Inc*
World Airline Services (click "vacancies")
*US-based companies
This list is now mirrored on the web site and may sent via email
Many of these leasing companies are in Europe, but the jobs they're trying to fill extend around the world. The key factor in determining whether you're qualified (besides the listed minimum hours and aircraft experience) is that they're accepting of an ICAO ATP (an FAA ATP is ICAO). If the listing requires a JAA or JAR ATPL (a European ATP), you can pass on it. Converting an FAA certificate to JAA/JAR is very expensive and time consuming and impractical for most situations.
Avia Crews*
AviationJobSearch.com
Best Int'l*
Betts Recruitment
Confair Recruitment
Contract Air (click "vacancies")
Direct (click "jobs")
GAP Aviation*
Global Flyers*
Hawaii Aviation*
IAC
IASCO*
PARC
PAS Aviation (click "current vacancies")
Rishworth
Sigmar Aviation
Storm Aviation
World Aviation Systems Inc*
World Airline Services (click "vacancies")
*US-based companies
This list is now mirrored on the web site and may sent via email
Last edited by HSLD; 10-23-2005 at 10:34 PM.
07-23-2005, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ShamH85
hows the pay and hours with those companies flying international?
08-05-2005, 12:37 AM
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Great list 
Avia Crews is run by a good friend of mine. It is mostly for finding ferry crews, which is his main business. He is now expanding with some contacts which is where the other job leads are coming from. The ferry positions pay a daily rate and are short term, from 1 day to 1 week or so.
I've worked for PARC. It was a contract that they took over from a now defunct agency in the States. They came in and underbid the original company after our first year was up. It resulted in a pay cut for us so we weren't too pleased, but they did add one benefit that we didn't have so it worked out okay. When the contract came into jeopardy due to the Asian Economic Crisis they were of no help. The contract was terminated short of completion and we were all left jobless. Fortunately that was the late 90s and it was easy to find another job. Since then I did some ferry work for them in late 2002, just a short one week deal to move a couple of MD-80s from Arizona to Florida. Their paychecks come on time to a place of your choosing which is about as good as you can hope for with agencies.
If you are a U.S. citizen then it is to your advantage to choose an overseas agency. They are not required to file a form 1099 and they will deposit your salary to any financial institution of your chosing worldwide. That makes it your job to report income to Uncle Sam. Having the 1099 presents some difficulties as we found out in the mid 90s when working in Taiwan. The IRS wanted us to pay self employment tax, which is clearly not required, but it took our accountant some time to get them to agree to. Better to not have the 1099 in the first place.
For those contemplating any particular agency there is usually some good info on Pprune regards the likes of IAC, Rishworth, etc. The postings don't seem too enamored by IAC and their South Pacific legal set-up. They've set the contract up through an affiliate in some tiny little island nation where you have no legal recourse.
Typhoonpilot
Avia Crews is run by a good friend of mine. It is mostly for finding ferry crews, which is his main business. He is now expanding with some contacts which is where the other job leads are coming from. The ferry positions pay a daily rate and are short term, from 1 day to 1 week or so.
I've worked for PARC. It was a contract that they took over from a now defunct agency in the States. They came in and underbid the original company after our first year was up. It resulted in a pay cut for us so we weren't too pleased, but they did add one benefit that we didn't have so it worked out okay. When the contract came into jeopardy due to the Asian Economic Crisis they were of no help. The contract was terminated short of completion and we were all left jobless. Fortunately that was the late 90s and it was easy to find another job. Since then I did some ferry work for them in late 2002, just a short one week deal to move a couple of MD-80s from Arizona to Florida. Their paychecks come on time to a place of your choosing which is about as good as you can hope for with agencies.
If you are a U.S. citizen then it is to your advantage to choose an overseas agency. They are not required to file a form 1099 and they will deposit your salary to any financial institution of your chosing worldwide. That makes it your job to report income to Uncle Sam. Having the 1099 presents some difficulties as we found out in the mid 90s when working in Taiwan. The IRS wanted us to pay self employment tax, which is clearly not required, but it took our accountant some time to get them to agree to. Better to not have the 1099 in the first place.
For those contemplating any particular agency there is usually some good info on Pprune regards the likes of IAC, Rishworth, etc. The postings don't seem too enamored by IAC and their South Pacific legal set-up. They've set the contract up through an affiliate in some tiny little island nation where you have no legal recourse.
Typhoonpilot
Last edited by Typhoonpilot; 08-05-2005 at 12:39 AM.
08-05-2005, 12:50 AM
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Further to the above post.
When looking at overseas contracts there are some very important considerations to look for that you ordinarily might gloss over, but could make a big difference in your compensation. These, in no particular order, are payment of foreign income taxes, housing allowance, school fee payments, per diems, medical insurance, vacation, air fare to and from assignment, and an assortment of others small ones.
The big one is payment of foregn income tax. If you are working in a country with a 15 or 20 percent tax rate then that is a lot of money. It is very important to nail that down before commiting to a contract. Housing allowance is the next big one. In some cities it costs upwards of $3000 per month for a decent flat, that can take a big chunk out of your earnings. School fees for children would not normally be provided on shorter term contracts, but it is something to look at if you are going to relocate the family. Per diem can be a biggy. Whether it is a daily rate for time in the host country or overnight allowances it needs to be figured into the compensation package. Medical insurance obviously very important as you'll possibly be leaving behind a job with insurance in the States and need some coverage.
Always run the numbers and look at the bottom line, what you can put in your pocket at the end of the month. There can be a huge difference between two different contracts offering $12,000 per month. In one you may be putting the whole amount into your pocket and in another you could only be putting one quarter in your pocket.
Typhoonpilot
When looking at overseas contracts there are some very important considerations to look for that you ordinarily might gloss over, but could make a big difference in your compensation. These, in no particular order, are payment of foreign income taxes, housing allowance, school fee payments, per diems, medical insurance, vacation, air fare to and from assignment, and an assortment of others small ones.
The big one is payment of foregn income tax. If you are working in a country with a 15 or 20 percent tax rate then that is a lot of money. It is very important to nail that down before commiting to a contract. Housing allowance is the next big one. In some cities it costs upwards of $3000 per month for a decent flat, that can take a big chunk out of your earnings. School fees for children would not normally be provided on shorter term contracts, but it is something to look at if you are going to relocate the family. Per diem can be a biggy. Whether it is a daily rate for time in the host country or overnight allowances it needs to be figured into the compensation package. Medical insurance obviously very important as you'll possibly be leaving behind a job with insurance in the States and need some coverage.
Always run the numbers and look at the bottom line, what you can put in your pocket at the end of the month. There can be a huge difference between two different contracts offering $12,000 per month. In one you may be putting the whole amount into your pocket and in another you could only be putting one quarter in your pocket.
Typhoonpilot
Last edited by Typhoonpilot; 09-29-2005 at 04:08 AM.
10-21-2005, 03:30 PM
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Does anybody have any info on www.globalflyers.com. I checked there website and the have a offices in Honolulu, Taipei and I think China. Thanks
10-21-2005, 08:52 PM
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Interesting. They are not a known name or an established player like PARC, IASCO, HACS, etc. It would appear they are offereing jobs that can be obtained direct from the airline's themselves. Always be careful with contractors. They tend to be a slimy bunch of parasites who suck pay out of your pocket. At times a necessary evil, but if you can bypass them, all the better.
The best outfit I ever worked for was one up your way that was an offshoot of NATCO. They were called AML, which was the initials of the three principles. I believe they have morphed into CrewSourse LLC and supply instructors to NATCO on contract now. They have retired from the overseas crew leasing game. Too bad as they were some stand-up guys, especially Blake M.
Typhoonpilot
The best outfit I ever worked for was one up your way that was an offshoot of NATCO. They were called AML, which was the initials of the three principles. I believe they have morphed into CrewSourse LLC and supply instructors to NATCO on contract now. They have retired from the overseas crew leasing game. Too bad as they were some stand-up guys, especially Blake M.
Typhoonpilot
10-22-2005, 01:05 AM
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Bumgarner used to work for Hawaiian Air and he moved to EVA just after the first gulf war when HA was seemed to be doomed. He was with EVA for good 8 to 9 years then went to China Airlines where he spent the next 2 or 3 years until he got sacked! Didn't have a good personality and was not liked by both local and expats in CAL!! Watch out for this outfit.
10-22-2005, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by iluvetops
Bumgarner used to work for Hawaiian Air and he moved to EVA just after the first gulf war when HA was seemed to be doomed. He was with EVA for good 8 to 9 years then went to China Airlines where he spent the next 2 or 3 years until he got sacked! Didn't have a good personality and was not liked by both local and expats in CAL!! Watch out for this outfit.
Shouldn't you be studying
TP
10-22-2005, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Good info ILT.
Shouldn't you be studying
TP
Shouldn't you be studying
TP
I have been studying
Just need a break otherwise I will burned out!!!!Where are you heading to on your vacation?
ILT
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