1500 TT, 20 ME. Advice?
 

So I've got 1500 TT, but only 20 multi. Will be taking the ATP written soon. Looking for advice. Will anybody touch me with only 20 hrs multi? I heard, but haven't confirmed, that PSA has no multi mins, can anyone confirm? Buying another 30-80 hours of twin time isn't really feasible.

At you level....get a job... any job......get some experience so you can get another , better job and so on. Start applying to everybody you have a REALISTIC chance with.....if you get an offer and you can swing it...go. if you get multiple offers ...chose and go. the pay will suck but it would be crazy to spend thousands getting the ME time you THINK you need. Even if you go to some place like Great Lakes ....big deal... get in.. get trained... get 500 hours and move on.. (disclaimer...hoping you are single, no kids,,, and can move around freely)

Im not sure what their hiring situation is but it is a good stepping stone:

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A friend of mine was hired at PSA about 2 years ago with like 25 multi.. good luck.

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What Herc said. Do not get yourself in a situation that you can not bolt from in a moments notice, your loyalty is to you. Period. Apply everywhere, fly anything that someone will let you touch and most importantly, get the mental attitude that falure is not an option.

Also I think (but am not certain) that the new 121 SIC rules require a certain amount of ME time along with the ATP. I think it's 50-100. You should probably research that.

I hate to have to say this, but what you need is some multi time (as you already know). It won't help you in any way, but somehow, the HR folks think it's necessary before you get hired.

The good news is that you don't need 80. Somebody mentioned PSA. Also look at XJT and AE (are you a gambling man?). Those companies will take you with 50ME.

Agreed, the rule is that you will need 50 hours twin time. I am in the same situation here too. Almost 1100 TT but only at 15 hours of multi. I am in the process of building twin time, I am paying for it, but it has to be done. I am fairly confident that we will have a good chance with 50 hours of ME. Good luck!! Also yes, definitely apply away, it cannot hurt.

Try Ameriflight or similar companies... 135 cargo type outfits. Not only will you be building multi time, but also a little PIC. Stay long enough and you will get TPIC. Or like mentioned before, stay a year, get 500 hours and bail.

Agreed. HR says it right out of the phone interview. If you want to bail in 6-12 months, that is alright. If you enjoy it there, then stay. They know their current role and are being realistic with people. Very good company in my opinion. They will take you with low ME time.

Heard they are getting rid of the multis they still have left. And I'm not sure what good an aerial survey company would do someone in his situatin when he can just go to Ameriflight or somewhere similar.

Lakes, PSA.

Buy a few lawn mowers and start your own landscaping business. Home every night, you're the boss, cash under the table, and you'll be managing a bunch of wage earners. :-)

The on-demand cargo stuff is always a good option. You may get hired for a right seat turbine gig with your times, and upgrades can be quick.

Another option to look into is right seating at FlightSafety or Simuflite. You'll learn a lot and it can often lead to a short cut to a right seat jet job (if you're lucky).

Thanks for the replies. Last I spoke to Sheri Hudson at Ameriflight, they wanted 100 hrs multi. Dunno if that's changed, that was a year or so ago. I'm still on the fence when it comes to Lakes due to their training contract, though writing them a $7200 check after getting a few hundred hours in the 1900 would be cheaper than buying 80 hours in a Seminole. PSA appears to be a reasonable option.

Are you talking places like Kalitta? I once heard of an outfit that flies Sherpas, don't remember the name, but I think they did that sort of stuff? Not real familar with that segment of the industry, would appreciate a little more info if you can.

Twisting your ear hopefully for the better but most people buy their first +/-50 hours of ME. Nobody can fly one worth a damn up to that point and insurance companies will not insure you. The good news is you can build your bought hours while learning valuable skills, using a twin to get your CFI, CFII, MEI, ATP, or flying around at night on the panel. If you do the latter make sure it is not intentionally easy flying, try for IMC, busy airspace, all kinds of approaches, ask for copilot critiques- take it all very seriously. You'll need the skills later on.

Check all the aerial survey companies!

I would apply to every regional hiring right now you might find them getting very flexible in the coming months.

Cape will take you...especially if you meet ATP requirements. When I got hired there I had a couple hundred multi, people in my class had 30 or less though.

Great job, great experience, looks good on a resume.

Agreed that if you already have 1500TT, might as well bite the bullet and find a way to get the extra multi in and go fly boxes or the like.

Mar-Tech still has a twin. There was talk of getting rid of it however, haven't heard anything for awhile and the twin is actually being rotated on a regular basis now. Even the juniors are starting to see some twin time.

I hear even Cape is getting apps with people with a couple of thousand hours and 121 time. It's better to start at 35K then 21K at another regional.
It's a crappy market right now. Unless you want to work at Republic.

Ameriflight! I hear they are hiring quite a lot right now and you're able to get PDX. I have a couple friends that just got picked up there with only instructing experience and not a lot of ME time.

Piedmont will hire you and they have no training contract. Its not the best place, but its a good place to build experience.

go to a regional with an expired flow program like compass. You yourself wont flow, but there will be movement. You can get multi turbine 121 time for a year and go to a mid level like NKS or something after that.

take a look a cape air. great way to build multi time in a CE402 and I believe their multi mins are only 25 hours

Silver airways out of FLL, they seem to hire peeps with a pulse. They just want ATP mins. I think they're hiring into the Saab again. Not as bad as great mistakes pay wise, but then again not as good other regionals, kinda in the middle.

Because of the new laws, ATP minimums now include 50 multi. So whether or not airlines list this, it's a minimum.

True. Fortunately, up to 25 hrs of Level C/D multi-turbine sim time from a 121/135/142 training program can be counted toward that new 50 hour requirement--which I have. I'm gonna use the remaining 5 hrs I need to knock my ATP out.

Also have an interview with Piedmont coming up soon.

Actually I think if you can afford it, you're not in too bad of shape if you can get on with one of the regionals. With the forecasted retirements, there should be a lot of movement in the next decade. Spend a couple years building your time at the regionals/cargo/or whoever will hire...and you should be in the running in a few years for the majors. Key thing after you start building your ME time is to get some turbine PIC.....so upgrade as soon as you can....

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Check out the guard/reserves.....most units send 1-2 dudes to pilot training a year.....though, the process will probably take 2-4 yrs to get in a position to get a civilian gig, but it's worth checking out and you'll get great time for the logbook....usually there's C-130/KC-135 units looking.....check out baseops.net jobs page....

Congrats. Wouldn't wait too much longer, seniority is everything. Piedmont is a good place.

Do like everyone else with that little of multi...Get more multi time. Sucks to hear it, but its got to be done. Try some Aerial mapping vendors like pictometry. They usually hire the first season into the single and then next season depending on how many others come back they move the returnee's into the aztecs.
Good luck.

Piedmont has a high washout rate, so be careful.