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rj200dude 03-13-2014 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by NightIP (Post 1598958)
It's a web forum. The entire point of the thing is to ask questions and discuss. Not everyone has hours to read through an 800+ page beast of a thread with a large amount of outdated information. Anyone doing that is simply wasting his or her time, and trust me, I've written quite a few posts in the megathread.

So, for those who want a rundown, here ya go:

-The company hires from all walks of life.
-The online test is 100 questions timed over 60 minutes. It's hard.
-It may take several weeks to hear back after the interview.
-The pool is competitive (highest scores get into class first).
-Training pay is $1600/month plus per diem.
-The company now provides travel to MIA for new-hires.
-Expect to be in Miami for roughly 2.5 months.
-Expect to be on training pay for 4 months (training pay extends through IOE).
-Probation is 12 months from your groundschool start date.
-Schedules change a lot.
-You owe the company 17 days of work each month.
-Reserve line holders can be extended an additional 3 days involuntarily.
-Regular/Hybrid/VTO line holders can only be extended to protect the operation.
-CRT (Calculated Rig Time) starts at report time on the first day, and extends until you're released into R1 (residence reserve), days off, or training.
-CRT is paid at a ratio of 4.95:1, which equates to 4.85 hours of pay for every 24 hour period.
-Pay protection does not exist here. You're paid what you work. Getting sent home early off your trip to sit R1 results in pay loss compared to your awarded trip value. Hopefully will change in the next CBA.
-We are currently DOS+2 on pay rates.
-Training is credited at 3.65 hours per day. CRT does not apply.
-Vacation is worth 3.65 hours per day, and will be paid out if it falls on days off.

That should get everyone started...

wow. nice. if i can ask, what do they ask in the phone interview? what questions are on the written test? thanks ip . good stuff.

easyflying 03-13-2014 07:46 PM

All info is on the real Atlas hiring thread, give it a shot.

OSAVIP 03-14-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by easyflying (Post 1601801)
All info is on the real Atlas hiring thread, give it a shot.

Agreed. Go here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hi...ir-hiring.html

If there's something you can't find, use the "search this thread tool" near the top...

Page number - Post number - Type of Info
196-1951 Hiring Process
342-3416 Hiring Process and LORs
238-2298 HR
239-2388 Hiring and Testing
167-1663 Interview
184-1835 Interview
213-2121 Interview
236-2352 Interview
169-1687 Pay
175-1746 Pay
225-2249 pay
222-2211 Company Info
223-2229 Company Info
234-2338 Company Info
286-2855 Company Info
289-2885 Company Info
290-2893 Company Info
294-2937 Company Info
300-2995 Company info (Investor Conf Call Links)
340-3391 Company Info
340-3394 Company Info
225-2245 Training Pay
286-2854 Training Pay
353-3522 Training, Bus schedules
352-3524 Training, Bus/Rental Cars
353-3526 Training, Car recommendation
353-3527 Training, Pay for driving your car
353-3529 Training, Income/Pay for driving your cay
356-3554 Preparing for training
356-3555 Preparing for training
354-3532 Training
201-2003 Recip Jump seat priv
187-1865 Essay
75-750 Testing
77-769 Testing
194-1940 Testing
198-1971 Testing
214-2136 Testing
216-2151 Testing
226-2253 Testing
220-2193 Testing
236-2352 Testing
251-2503 Testing
264-2635 Testing
264-2636 Testing
267-2669 Testing
281-2802 Testing
281-2807 Testing (weather link)*
AC 00-45G CHG 1 Aviation Weather Services
286-2808 Testing (FAA ATP pdf)
Index of /faa_exam/atp
287-2861 Testing
208-2075 Gateway info
176-1756 Retirements
332-3319 Retirements
274-2735 Reserve definitions (R1,R2, R3)
255-2541 IOE evaluation example

APaulO 03-14-2014 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by OSAVIP (Post 1602140)
Agreed. Go here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hi...ir-hiring.html

If there's something you can't find, use the "search this thread tool" near the top...

Page number - Post number - Type of Info
196-1951 Hiring Process
342-3416 Hiring Process and LORs
238-2298 HR
239-2388 Hiring and Testing
167-1663 Interview
184-1835 Interview
213-2121 Interview
236-2352 Interview
169-1687 Pay
175-1746 Pay
225-2249 pay
222-2211 Company Info
223-2229 Company Info
234-2338 Company Info
286-2855 Company Info
289-2885 Company Info
290-2893 Company Info
294-2937 Company Info
300-2995 Company info (Investor Conf Call Links)
340-3391 Company Info
340-3394 Company Info
225-2245 Training Pay
286-2854 Training Pay
353-3522 Training, Bus schedules
352-3524 Training, Bus/Rental Cars
353-3526 Training, Car recommendation
353-3527 Training, Pay for driving your car
353-3529 Training, Income/Pay for driving your cay
356-3554 Preparing for training
356-3555 Preparing for training
354-3532 Training
201-2003 Recip Jump seat priv
187-1865 Essay
75-750 Testing
77-769 Testing
194-1940 Testing
198-1971 Testing
214-2136 Testing
216-2151 Testing
226-2253 Testing
220-2193 Testing
236-2352 Testing
251-2503 Testing
264-2635 Testing
264-2636 Testing
267-2669 Testing
281-2802 Testing
281-2807 Testing (weather link)*
AC 00-45G CHG 1 Aviation Weather Services
286-2808 Testing (FAA ATP pdf)
Index of /faa_exam/atp
287-2861 Testing
208-2075 Gateway info
176-1756 Retirements
332-3319 Retirements
274-2735 Reserve definitions (R1,R2, R3)
255-2541 IOE evaluation example

OSAVIP,

more than you needed to do. Thanks a lot for the breakdown.

Also,

Any idea why they added the new 1500+ 141/142 school minimums?
Seems like there is no shortage of qualified pilots looking to work for them?

SVA402 03-14-2014 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by APaulO (Post 1602496)
OSAVIP,

more than you needed to do. Thanks a lot for the breakdown.

Also,

Any idea why they added the new 1500+ 141/142 school minimums?
Seems like there is no shortage of qualified pilots looking to work for them?

Yeah that surprised me. When I interviewed everyone there was very highly qualified. And at the very least I know a lot of regional captains that would make the move and stay there (mostly 45+ guys). Maybe they're wanting to find lower-time folks so they can have some better retention time?

seafeye 03-15-2014 05:14 AM

Don't think 45+ guys are playing the moving around game.
There just isn't enough time left.

Tanker-driver 03-15-2014 08:24 AM

Lots of under 40, highly qualified types hired lately. There is a lot of evidence lately that a large number of these guys are looking elsewhere and the company is concerned. They may be realizing that the days of hiring high-time, extremely experienced folks are ending.

kme9418 03-15-2014 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Fillmore Slim (Post 1599186)
WARich......just a note of caution. Many of us AMC guys came to Atlas thinking it was a better flying life than the military. Most of us hired in the recent wave have realized it's not. Your schedule, believe it or not in the military is better than at Atlas. You will be gone more, make less and be begging for TACC back. Your 1Lt squadron scheduler does a better job then the entire scheduling shop at Atlas. Per Diem is on average 50% less then government rates. Most domestic hotels are on par with base hotels, and your dining options around those hotels are similar to on base. No more "less than 24 so we don't need a non-A." Overseas they are, on average, better. Crew rest requirements are worse. For example, you will operate HSV-STN-LUX, then take a 4-8 hour van ride from LUX to somewhere in Germany, and that's the norm. You will be lucky if you get 12 hours of crew rest between flights. Usually it's 10 and in some cases only 8. There is a giant disconnect between someone you meet at HR and those out flying the line. Please understand I'm not trying to discourage you, just be ready to accept that the grass may not be greener over here. This is a job, and that's about it. Every decision the company makes about your life/schedule/crew rest/security, safety and travel is driven by cost. I have had some good trips here, and flown with some incredible pilots. I would put the collective skill set of this pilot group against anyone's in the industry. Hopefully, when the next contract opens up, it will get better. If you have any other specific questions concerning Atlas vs Mil, please pm me.

I will add a counter perspective...I am prior AMC/Active Duty heavy type (currently a Reservist and Atlas 747 FO). Atlas is WAY BETTER than my previous AMC life but by no means perfect. I got my @ss kicked way more on Active Duty than an Atlas but realize that is highly variable depending on timing, current events, specific aircraft, leadership. I'm overall pretty happy but still hopeful that our next CBA will close some of the huge gap between us and "legacy" carriers.

kme9418 03-15-2014 09:59 AM

And other than the table of contents posted above, there is no good reason for this thread to continue outside of the "real" Atlas thread.

John Carr 03-15-2014 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by kme9418 (Post 1602723)
And other than the table of contents posted above, there is no good reason for this thread to continue outside of the "real" Atlas thread.

Agreed. OSAVIP has said it multiple times, and I'll say it as well. Simply go to the uber Atlas thread, use the "search this thread" function, and ALL can be answered.

It was KTYBYRD (I believe) that put together that nifty guide.

WARich 03-15-2014 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1602740)
Agreed. OSAVIP has said it multiple times, and I'll say it as well. Simply go to the uber Atlas thread, use the "search this thread" function, and ALL can be answered.

It was KTYBYRD (I believe) that put together that nifty guide.

maybe a moderator could just merge this with the other one to really put it to bed, if that's even possible..

thesandbox 03-15-2014 02:44 PM

but this is the hiring thread for the next generation

OSAVIP 03-15-2014 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1602740)
Agreed. OSAVIP has said it multiple times, and I'll say it as well. Simply go to the uber Atlas thread, use the "search this thread" function, and ALL can be answered.

It was KTYBYRD (I believe) that put together that nifty guide.

I believe you're correct about KTYBYRD deserving credit for that fine index. I figured posting it here would direct some traffic back into the proper lane!

John Carr 03-15-2014 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by OSAVIP (Post 1602936)
I believe you're correct about KTYBYRD deserving credit for that fine index. I figured posting it here would direct some traffic back into the proper lane!

I agree :D

I was just "stealing thunder" from you guys as I've posted it before as well :p

But like you, it's easier to post the often repeated (yet best) advice :cool:

WARich 03-15-2014 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by thesandbox (Post 1602873)
but this is the hiring thread for the next generation

Which is disgusting, the entitlement generation. God help us.

Brokenwind 03-15-2014 06:48 PM

If it ain't broke, don't fix it....

thesandbox 03-15-2014 08:28 PM

I am glad someone gets my midwestern sarcasm....

Thread drift can be a thread killer ya know ;) ;)

PotatoChip 03-16-2014 01:43 AM

This thread has been very informative, thank you all who have posted! I just found out there is another Atlas thread too, and if you don't read it, you are an entitled loser who should never work at Atlas!

rj200dude 03-16-2014 10:20 PM

i just wanted you guys to post all the answers to the written test and all the important stuff about how to get hired here.

is it that hard? i'm not wasting my time plowing thru that other thread. its getting like that million post long delta thread. better things do do with my time.

gotta fly the jet now.

Talon1011 03-16-2014 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by rj200dude (Post 1603781)
i just wanted you guys to post all the answers to the written test and all the important stuff about how to get hired here.

is it that hard? i'm not wasting my time plowing thru that other thread. its getting like that million post long delta thread. better things do do with my time.

gotta fly the jet now.


The point is.. That information has been posted more than a few times already. If clicking on the 'search' function on the existing thread is too great a waste of your time then you really don't want this job very badly. I don't want to sound curt, but how many times do we have to post the same information before it becomes a waste of OUR time?

Whaledriver 03-17-2014 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by Talon1011 (Post 1603795)
The point is.. That information has been posted more than a few times already. If clicking on the 'search' function on the existing thread is too great a waste of your time then you really don't want this job very badly. I don't want to sound curt, but how many times do we have to post the same information before it becomes a waste of OUR time?

+1...................

OSAVIP 03-17-2014 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by rj200dude (Post 1603781)
i just wanted you guys to post all the answers to the written test and all the important stuff about how to get hired here.

is it that hard? i'm not wasting my time plowing thru that other thread. its getting like that million post long delta thread. better things do do with my time.

gotta fly the jet now.

How about you read THIS thread then? Specifically, go back to post # 43. Spoon feeding at it's best! I have better things to do too. Time to take a nap.

John Carr 03-17-2014 08:12 PM


Originally Posted by OSAVIP (Post 1604593)
How about you read THIS thread then? Specifically, go back to post # 43. Spoon feeding at it's best! I have better things to do too. Time to take a nap.

So, is like, Atlas hiring right now?

OSAVIP 03-17-2014 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1604642)
So, is like, Atlas hiring right now?

Perfect. :D

farklempt 03-20-2014 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by OSAVIP (Post 1604649)
Perfect. :D

++++++++1 :D

MoarAlpha 03-20-2014 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1604642)
So, is like, Atlas hiring right now?

Yes, but they are very specific about who they hire. You have to have a bunch of turbine PIC and widebody time.

;)

ATCsaidDoWhat 03-20-2014 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by rj200dude (Post 1603781)
i just wanted you guys to post all the answers to the written test and all the important stuff about how to get hired here.

is it that hard? i'm not wasting my time plowing thru that other thread. its getting like that million post long delta thread. better things do do with my time.

gotta fly the jet now.

Not hard at all...maybe there is a feeling here that those who need or want spoonfeeding need to look for a job that spoonfeeds. This isn't domestic flying...you have to make position reports...real ones...check cargo in lousy heat and freezing cold...and more. If you screw it up because you're too lazy, people can get hurt or killed. So they take it personally. Especially when someone thinks they should be give all the answers. And has better things to do.

But hey, you're right. You have "better things to do with my time." So go fly YOUR jet. Based on your profile, around Atlas that would be considered an ultralight. (No slight to the RJ's who got here by TAKING the time and not demanding to be spoonfed...)

JerrySpringer 03-20-2014 03:21 PM

If someone can fly at a commuter, they can fly here. This job is different, but it's not difficult or ticket science.

M696 03-20-2014 05:17 PM

Like most, a learning curve is involved but its not rocket science.

M696 03-20-2014 05:20 PM

...that would be considered an ultralight.

Ultralights are cool

John Carr 03-20-2014 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by JerrySpringer (Post 1606734)
This job is different, but it's not difficult or ticket science.

What's harder, ticket science or rocket surgerey?

JerrySpringer 03-21-2014 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 1606872)
What's harder, ticket science or rocket surgerey?

Stupid autocorrect.


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