Atlas Air Cargo New Hires
#41
It's a web forum. The entire point of the thing is to ask questions and discuss. Not everyone has hours to read through an 800+ page beast of a thread with a large amount of outdated information. Anyone doing that is simply wasting his or her time, and trust me, I've written quite a few posts in the megathread.
So, for those who want a rundown, here ya go:
-The company hires from all walks of life.
-The online test is 100 questions timed over 60 minutes. It's hard.
-It may take several weeks to hear back after the interview.
-The pool is competitive (highest scores get into class first).
-Training pay is $1600/month plus per diem.
-The company now provides travel to MIA for new-hires.
-Expect to be in Miami for roughly 2.5 months.
-Expect to be on training pay for 4 months (training pay extends through IOE).
-Probation is 12 months from your groundschool start date.
-Schedules change a lot.
-You owe the company 17 days of work each month.
-Reserve line holders can be extended an additional 3 days involuntarily.
-Regular/Hybrid/VTO line holders can only be extended to protect the operation.
-CRT (Calculated Rig Time) starts at report time on the first day, and extends until you're released into R1 (residence reserve), days off, or training.
-CRT is paid at a ratio of 4.95:1, which equates to 4.85 hours of pay for every 24 hour period.
-Pay protection does not exist here. You're paid what you work. Getting sent home early off your trip to sit R1 results in pay loss compared to your awarded trip value. Hopefully will change in the next CBA.
-We are currently DOS+2 on pay rates.
-Training is credited at 3.65 hours per day. CRT does not apply.
-Vacation is worth 3.65 hours per day, and will be paid out if it falls on days off.
That should get everyone started...
So, for those who want a rundown, here ya go:
-The company hires from all walks of life.
-The online test is 100 questions timed over 60 minutes. It's hard.
-It may take several weeks to hear back after the interview.
-The pool is competitive (highest scores get into class first).
-Training pay is $1600/month plus per diem.
-The company now provides travel to MIA for new-hires.
-Expect to be in Miami for roughly 2.5 months.
-Expect to be on training pay for 4 months (training pay extends through IOE).
-Probation is 12 months from your groundschool start date.
-Schedules change a lot.
-You owe the company 17 days of work each month.
-Reserve line holders can be extended an additional 3 days involuntarily.
-Regular/Hybrid/VTO line holders can only be extended to protect the operation.
-CRT (Calculated Rig Time) starts at report time on the first day, and extends until you're released into R1 (residence reserve), days off, or training.
-CRT is paid at a ratio of 4.95:1, which equates to 4.85 hours of pay for every 24 hour period.
-Pay protection does not exist here. You're paid what you work. Getting sent home early off your trip to sit R1 results in pay loss compared to your awarded trip value. Hopefully will change in the next CBA.
-We are currently DOS+2 on pay rates.
-Training is credited at 3.65 hours per day. CRT does not apply.
-Vacation is worth 3.65 hours per day, and will be paid out if it falls on days off.
That should get everyone started...
#43
Agreed. Go here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hi...ir-hiring.html
If there's something you can't find, use the "search this thread tool" near the top...
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196-1951 Hiring Process
342-3416 Hiring Process and LORs
238-2298 HR
239-2388 Hiring and Testing
167-1663 Interview
184-1835 Interview
213-2121 Interview
236-2352 Interview
169-1687 Pay
175-1746 Pay
225-2249 pay
222-2211 Company Info
223-2229 Company Info
234-2338 Company Info
286-2855 Company Info
289-2885 Company Info
290-2893 Company Info
294-2937 Company Info
300-2995 Company info (Investor Conf Call Links)
340-3391 Company Info
340-3394 Company Info
225-2245 Training Pay
286-2854 Training Pay
353-3522 Training, Bus schedules
352-3524 Training, Bus/Rental Cars
353-3526 Training, Car recommendation
353-3527 Training, Pay for driving your car
353-3529 Training, Income/Pay for driving your cay
356-3554 Preparing for training
356-3555 Preparing for training
354-3532 Training
201-2003 Recip Jump seat priv
187-1865 Essay
75-750 Testing
77-769 Testing
194-1940 Testing
198-1971 Testing
214-2136 Testing
216-2151 Testing
226-2253 Testing
220-2193 Testing
236-2352 Testing
251-2503 Testing
264-2635 Testing
264-2636 Testing
267-2669 Testing
281-2802 Testing
281-2807 Testing (weather link)*
AC 00-45G CHG 1 Aviation Weather Services
286-2808 Testing (FAA ATP pdf)
Index of /faa_exam/atp
287-2861 Testing
208-2075 Gateway info
176-1756 Retirements
332-3319 Retirements
274-2735 Reserve definitions (R1,R2, R3)
255-2541 IOE evaluation example
If there's something you can't find, use the "search this thread tool" near the top...
Page number - Post number - Type of Info
196-1951 Hiring Process
342-3416 Hiring Process and LORs
238-2298 HR
239-2388 Hiring and Testing
167-1663 Interview
184-1835 Interview
213-2121 Interview
236-2352 Interview
169-1687 Pay
175-1746 Pay
225-2249 pay
222-2211 Company Info
223-2229 Company Info
234-2338 Company Info
286-2855 Company Info
289-2885 Company Info
290-2893 Company Info
294-2937 Company Info
300-2995 Company info (Investor Conf Call Links)
340-3391 Company Info
340-3394 Company Info
225-2245 Training Pay
286-2854 Training Pay
353-3522 Training, Bus schedules
352-3524 Training, Bus/Rental Cars
353-3526 Training, Car recommendation
353-3527 Training, Pay for driving your car
353-3529 Training, Income/Pay for driving your cay
356-3554 Preparing for training
356-3555 Preparing for training
354-3532 Training
201-2003 Recip Jump seat priv
187-1865 Essay
75-750 Testing
77-769 Testing
194-1940 Testing
198-1971 Testing
214-2136 Testing
216-2151 Testing
226-2253 Testing
220-2193 Testing
236-2352 Testing
251-2503 Testing
264-2635 Testing
264-2636 Testing
267-2669 Testing
281-2802 Testing
281-2807 Testing (weather link)*
AC 00-45G CHG 1 Aviation Weather Services
286-2808 Testing (FAA ATP pdf)
Index of /faa_exam/atp
287-2861 Testing
208-2075 Gateway info
176-1756 Retirements
332-3319 Retirements
274-2735 Reserve definitions (R1,R2, R3)
255-2541 IOE evaluation example
#44
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 16
Agreed. Go here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hi...ir-hiring.html
If there's something you can't find, use the "search this thread tool" near the top...
Page number - Post number - Type of Info
196-1951 Hiring Process
342-3416 Hiring Process and LORs
238-2298 HR
239-2388 Hiring and Testing
167-1663 Interview
184-1835 Interview
213-2121 Interview
236-2352 Interview
169-1687 Pay
175-1746 Pay
225-2249 pay
222-2211 Company Info
223-2229 Company Info
234-2338 Company Info
286-2855 Company Info
289-2885 Company Info
290-2893 Company Info
294-2937 Company Info
300-2995 Company info (Investor Conf Call Links)
340-3391 Company Info
340-3394 Company Info
225-2245 Training Pay
286-2854 Training Pay
353-3522 Training, Bus schedules
352-3524 Training, Bus/Rental Cars
353-3526 Training, Car recommendation
353-3527 Training, Pay for driving your car
353-3529 Training, Income/Pay for driving your cay
356-3554 Preparing for training
356-3555 Preparing for training
354-3532 Training
201-2003 Recip Jump seat priv
187-1865 Essay
75-750 Testing
77-769 Testing
194-1940 Testing
198-1971 Testing
214-2136 Testing
216-2151 Testing
226-2253 Testing
220-2193 Testing
236-2352 Testing
251-2503 Testing
264-2635 Testing
264-2636 Testing
267-2669 Testing
281-2802 Testing
281-2807 Testing (weather link)*
AC 00-45G CHG 1 Aviation Weather Services
286-2808 Testing (FAA ATP pdf)
Index of /faa_exam/atp
287-2861 Testing
208-2075 Gateway info
176-1756 Retirements
332-3319 Retirements
274-2735 Reserve definitions (R1,R2, R3)
255-2541 IOE evaluation example
If there's something you can't find, use the "search this thread tool" near the top...
Page number - Post number - Type of Info
196-1951 Hiring Process
342-3416 Hiring Process and LORs
238-2298 HR
239-2388 Hiring and Testing
167-1663 Interview
184-1835 Interview
213-2121 Interview
236-2352 Interview
169-1687 Pay
175-1746 Pay
225-2249 pay
222-2211 Company Info
223-2229 Company Info
234-2338 Company Info
286-2855 Company Info
289-2885 Company Info
290-2893 Company Info
294-2937 Company Info
300-2995 Company info (Investor Conf Call Links)
340-3391 Company Info
340-3394 Company Info
225-2245 Training Pay
286-2854 Training Pay
353-3522 Training, Bus schedules
352-3524 Training, Bus/Rental Cars
353-3526 Training, Car recommendation
353-3527 Training, Pay for driving your car
353-3529 Training, Income/Pay for driving your cay
356-3554 Preparing for training
356-3555 Preparing for training
354-3532 Training
201-2003 Recip Jump seat priv
187-1865 Essay
75-750 Testing
77-769 Testing
194-1940 Testing
198-1971 Testing
214-2136 Testing
216-2151 Testing
226-2253 Testing
220-2193 Testing
236-2352 Testing
251-2503 Testing
264-2635 Testing
264-2636 Testing
267-2669 Testing
281-2802 Testing
281-2807 Testing (weather link)*
AC 00-45G CHG 1 Aviation Weather Services
286-2808 Testing (FAA ATP pdf)
Index of /faa_exam/atp
287-2861 Testing
208-2075 Gateway info
176-1756 Retirements
332-3319 Retirements
274-2735 Reserve definitions (R1,R2, R3)
255-2541 IOE evaluation example
more than you needed to do. Thanks a lot for the breakdown.
Also,
Any idea why they added the new 1500+ 141/142 school minimums?
Seems like there is no shortage of qualified pilots looking to work for them?
#45
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Joined APC: May 2008
Posts: 617
Yeah that surprised me. When I interviewed everyone there was very highly qualified. And at the very least I know a lot of regional captains that would make the move and stay there (mostly 45+ guys). Maybe they're wanting to find lower-time folks so they can have some better retention time?
#47
Lots of under 40, highly qualified types hired lately. There is a lot of evidence lately that a large number of these guys are looking elsewhere and the company is concerned. They may be realizing that the days of hiring high-time, extremely experienced folks are ending.
#48
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Joined APC: Aug 2009
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 282
WARich......just a note of caution. Many of us AMC guys came to Atlas thinking it was a better flying life than the military. Most of us hired in the recent wave have realized it's not. Your schedule, believe it or not in the military is better than at Atlas. You will be gone more, make less and be begging for TACC back. Your 1Lt squadron scheduler does a better job then the entire scheduling shop at Atlas. Per Diem is on average 50% less then government rates. Most domestic hotels are on par with base hotels, and your dining options around those hotels are similar to on base. No more "less than 24 so we don't need a non-A." Overseas they are, on average, better. Crew rest requirements are worse. For example, you will operate HSV-STN-LUX, then take a 4-8 hour van ride from LUX to somewhere in Germany, and that's the norm. You will be lucky if you get 12 hours of crew rest between flights. Usually it's 10 and in some cases only 8. There is a giant disconnect between someone you meet at HR and those out flying the line. Please understand I'm not trying to discourage you, just be ready to accept that the grass may not be greener over here. This is a job, and that's about it. Every decision the company makes about your life/schedule/crew rest/security, safety and travel is driven by cost. I have had some good trips here, and flown with some incredible pilots. I would put the collective skill set of this pilot group against anyone's in the industry. Hopefully, when the next contract opens up, it will get better. If you have any other specific questions concerning Atlas vs Mil, please pm me.
#50
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,666
It was KTYBYRD (I believe) that put together that nifty guide.
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