Still convinced there's no pilot shortage?
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Pilots spend thousands of dollars on interview preparation and resume reviews. The legacy airlines spend nothing on recruiting pilots, because they don't have to. Regional airlines still have pilots flying for them despite pay that's on par with brewing coffee for Starbucks.
So yes, I'm still convinced that there's no pilot shortage.
So yes, I'm still convinced that there's no pilot shortage.
Regionals have raised pay considerably, and it still isn't fixing the problem. Even if they started FOs at $150k/yr there would not be enough pilots in the next few years to fill the slots.
There is a big buffer that is empty, and it is going to get a lot worse. To fix it:
- pay needs to increase (currently in progress)
- the 1500 hour rule needs to be reduced or eliminated
- the mandatory retirement age needs to be raised or eliminated
- cost of training needs to decrease
Any one of those coming in to reality will not solve the problem, all of them have to happen in order for the pilot shortage to meet levels of demand
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Artificially. But they also create shortages, as seen here.
Maybe, it depends on how supply and demand.
The way it was seemed to work ok. Or perhaps some sort of merit/skills based test at 500 hrs. Dunno really, but the more regulation the government piles on, the worse it gets.
Eventually profits will decrease and/or ticket prices will increase and we'll start to see some elasticity of demand due to higher prices.
Eventually profits will decrease and/or ticket prices will increase and we'll start to see some elasticity of demand due to higher prices.
#14
Um.. no it didn't. I'm going out on a limb and assume that you are one of the people who think the 1500 hour rule "hurt" your career. If that is the case, then I can understand your frustration, but history has proven that regionals will hire any one when they need to and a 250 hour pilot will pay to be an FO in an RJ. You just haven't been around long enough to see companies compromise safety to make a buck or a new pilot throw another pilot under the bus just to get ahead.
#15
That would be a waste. I have probably only met 1 pilot who was good enough to be an effective FO at 500 hours. I have plenty of experince as an FO, captain, airline pilot, charter pilot, and current CFI. Trust me, even the best 1500 pilot still has a lot to learn when the start flying a jet professionally. They might do a great job 99.999% of the time. but that 0.001% of the time, their lack of acutal experince will affect safety.
I have even seen someone's career ruined becuase he assumed that meeting the minimum flight time for upgrade was the same as being qualifed. If he had delayed that upgrade by 6 months he would have had the oppurtunity to have an experinced captain teach him an important lesson before he started flying with new FOs.
I have even seen someone's career ruined becuase he assumed that meeting the minimum flight time for upgrade was the same as being qualifed. If he had delayed that upgrade by 6 months he would have had the oppurtunity to have an experinced captain teach him an important lesson before he started flying with new FOs.
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Using the 1500 hr rule really is a weak argument. Looking at the history within the industry, the 400 hr FO was just a blip on the radar. In the past, pilots needed well over 1500 hrs just to be considered at the regional level.
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A 4-year government college is going to be about $35k for tuition, probably another $10k for books and misc, and then living expenses ??$.
Flight training to get all one's tickets is around $60-90k including gear and check rides.
So $175k for a 4 year degree, plus flight training is not unrealistic. Granted the more one works while they are in training and college, the lower the number, but it is essentially impossible to do both these days for less than $140k without help (scholarships, angel donors, etc).
This is not even an aviation degree.
Getting a degree in aviation is a different ballgame all together (UND/Riddle/MTSU, etc).
Flight training to get all one's tickets is around $60-90k including gear and check rides.
So $175k for a 4 year degree, plus flight training is not unrealistic. Granted the more one works while they are in training and college, the lower the number, but it is essentially impossible to do both these days for less than $140k without help (scholarships, angel donors, etc).
This is not even an aviation degree.
Getting a degree in aviation is a different ballgame all together (UND/Riddle/MTSU, etc).
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Now I have to admit I did the PPL and then just flew for fun for a while before I decided to pursue a career so I had some TT built up
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