An Interesting Review of Horizon Jet Rates
04-13-2016, 09:14 AM
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An Interesting Review of Horizon Jet Rates
Please reference this link:
QX Pay
You will see a page with archival rates with jets as well as the CPI adjusted index to 2016 numbers. With the arrival of the 175 into your fleet, this would be an interesting moment to compare where the wages have trended over the years. My data shows that this will be the fourth jet to be put on the Horizon certificate. The first one was a DC9, then a Fokker F28, the CRJ-700 and now the E175.
The link is to a website that I have been working on during my layovers for quite a while. I have always been coy about putting it out there. I'm an airline pilot, not a web developer. Every day I work on it I learn something new. There is a laundry list of little things I need to do to polish it up. My goal was to build a site that I wish existed and still have a many things that I want to do with it, but there comes a point where I might as well put it out there and the news of QX getting jets again makes that page uniquely prescient.
Cheers, hope you enjoy my site.
PS, if you want a real reality check go to, Northwest Pay
and look at the NWA pay rates from 1989 and what they are in 2014 dollars. And as you look at those rates, keep in mind that those are just the flat rates, not including the pension, the way health insurance was structured then and any soft time, naturally you may tack on a healthy chunk of capital onto those numbers. Even with UAL's new rates, they're nowhere near recapturing what they were. There's a reason why your uncle was a member of the good country club, had a cabin with a 23' Caravelle tied to the dock and a new Brougham in the driveway every other year.
QX Pay
You will see a page with archival rates with jets as well as the CPI adjusted index to 2016 numbers. With the arrival of the 175 into your fleet, this would be an interesting moment to compare where the wages have trended over the years. My data shows that this will be the fourth jet to be put on the Horizon certificate. The first one was a DC9, then a Fokker F28, the CRJ-700 and now the E175.
The link is to a website that I have been working on during my layovers for quite a while. I have always been coy about putting it out there. I'm an airline pilot, not a web developer. Every day I work on it I learn something new. There is a laundry list of little things I need to do to polish it up. My goal was to build a site that I wish existed and still have a many things that I want to do with it, but there comes a point where I might as well put it out there and the news of QX getting jets again makes that page uniquely prescient.
Cheers, hope you enjoy my site.
PS, if you want a real reality check go to, Northwest Pay
and look at the NWA pay rates from 1989 and what they are in 2014 dollars. And as you look at those rates, keep in mind that those are just the flat rates, not including the pension, the way health insurance was structured then and any soft time, naturally you may tack on a healthy chunk of capital onto those numbers. Even with UAL's new rates, they're nowhere near recapturing what they were. There's a reason why your uncle was a member of the good country club, had a cabin with a 23' Caravelle tied to the dock and a new Brougham in the driveway every other year.
04-13-2016, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by viewfromtop
Please reference this link:
QX Pay
You will see a page with archival rates with jets as well as the CPI adjusted index to 2016 numbers. With the arrival of the 175 into your fleet, this would be an interesting moment to compare where the wages have trended over the years. My data shows that this will be the fourth jet to be put on the Horizon certificate. The first one was a DC9, then a Fokker F28, the CRJ-700 and now the E175.
The link is to a website that I have been working on during my layovers for quite a while. I have always been coy about putting it out there. I'm an airline pilot, not a web developer. Every day I work on it I learn something new. There is a laundry list of little things I need to do to polish it up. My goal was to build a site that I wish existed and still have a many things that I want to do with it, but there comes a point where I might as well put it out there and the news of QX getting jets again makes that page uniquely prescient.
Cheers, hope you enjoy my site.
PS, if you want a real reality check go to, Northwest Pay
and look at the NWA pay rates from 1989 and what they are in 2014 dollars. And as you look at those rates, keep in mind that those are just the flat rates, not including the pension, the way health insurance was structured then and any soft time, naturally you may tack on a healthy chunk of capital onto those numbers. Even with UAL's new rates, they're nowhere near recapturing what they were. There's a reason why your uncle was a member of the good country club, had a cabin with a 23' Caravelle tied to the dock and a new Brougham in the driveway every other year.
QX Pay
You will see a page with archival rates with jets as well as the CPI adjusted index to 2016 numbers. With the arrival of the 175 into your fleet, this would be an interesting moment to compare where the wages have trended over the years. My data shows that this will be the fourth jet to be put on the Horizon certificate. The first one was a DC9, then a Fokker F28, the CRJ-700 and now the E175.
The link is to a website that I have been working on during my layovers for quite a while. I have always been coy about putting it out there. I'm an airline pilot, not a web developer. Every day I work on it I learn something new. There is a laundry list of little things I need to do to polish it up. My goal was to build a site that I wish existed and still have a many things that I want to do with it, but there comes a point where I might as well put it out there and the news of QX getting jets again makes that page uniquely prescient.
Cheers, hope you enjoy my site.
PS, if you want a real reality check go to, Northwest Pay
and look at the NWA pay rates from 1989 and what they are in 2014 dollars. And as you look at those rates, keep in mind that those are just the flat rates, not including the pension, the way health insurance was structured then and any soft time, naturally you may tack on a healthy chunk of capital onto those numbers. Even with UAL's new rates, they're nowhere near recapturing what they were. There's a reason why your uncle was a member of the good country club, had a cabin with a 23' Caravelle tied to the dock and a new Brougham in the driveway every other year.
04-13-2016, 11:13 AM
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Interesting, thank you!
I'd like to add one side note for pilots that might be interested in working at Horizon. Under our "new" TA (yeah, that one, becomes effective when we get the jets on property), there are no longer any "jet FO" rates. All First Officers are on the same pay scale, with increases for longevity. If I recall correctly, the rates start at $31.03 an hour for Year 1, and top out at $49.43 for Year 8. The rates increase by about 1.5% per year for a cost-of-living adjustment.
I'd like to add one side note for pilots that might be interested in working at Horizon. Under our "new" TA (yeah, that one, becomes effective when we get the jets on property), there are no longer any "jet FO" rates. All First Officers are on the same pay scale, with increases for longevity. If I recall correctly, the rates start at $31.03 an hour for Year 1, and top out at $49.43 for Year 8. The rates increase by about 1.5% per year for a cost-of-living adjustment.
04-13-2016, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
We gave up our higher jet rates (which the company agreed to YEARS ago) so Skywest wouldn't get 30 more jets. There is only one pay scale now. The same exact one we have now.
But seriously, did they tell you that the jets would be going to skywest if you didn't comply?
04-13-2016, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
But seriously, did they tell you that the jets would be going to skywest if you didn't comply?
Same old reason, to get a concession! Loss of jet pay differential and line bidding/adjustment are the two major losses.
04-13-2016, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores
We gave up our higher jet rates (which the company agreed to YEARS ago) so Skywest wouldn't get 30 more jets. There is only one pay scale now. The same exact one we have now.
04-13-2016, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by boiler07
It's a good thing PSA hates Envoy more than Horizon. Otherwise they'd be over here screaming about how you guys were "setting the bar lower for everyone else." Lol
But seriously, did they tell you that the jets would be going to skywest if you didn't comply?
But seriously, did they tell you that the jets would be going to skywest if you didn't comply?
They sure did threaten to give our flying to them. Whether or not they actually would or not and watch horizon burn to the ground is another story. At any rate, our union and our pilot group bought it hook line and sinker. Sad.
04-13-2016, 08:34 PM
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Just got this email from QX
what you guys think?
Greetings!
We’re contacting you today to let you know that we are on a recruitment campaign for Horizon Air pilots and that we saw that you applied for a role as a Horizon Air pilot in the past. We wanted to bring you up to speed on the new opportunity at Horizon, and if you’re interested, we’d love to hear from you again!
Pilots with Horizon Air:
· Fly Q400s now and new E175 jets in 2017.
· Upgrade to PIC in less than three years.
· Use leading-edge technology that you won’t find with other regional airlines like the Rockwell Head-up Guidance System.
· May be based in Anchorage, Boise, Medford, Portland, Seattle, or Spokane.
· Fly through some of the most striking and challenging parts of the country.
Plus, if you’re interested and qualified, you’ll be guaranteed an interview with Alaska Airlines.
There’s a lot of great reasons to fly with Horizon and we’d be happy to share more. Check out the job posting and apply today! Horizon Air Jobs - Pilot for Horizon Air in Portland, Oregon, United States
If you or someone you know would consider working for us, we hope to see your application soon.
Very best,
Pilot Recruitment Team
Horizon Air and Alaska Airlines
what you guys think?
Greetings!
We’re contacting you today to let you know that we are on a recruitment campaign for Horizon Air pilots and that we saw that you applied for a role as a Horizon Air pilot in the past. We wanted to bring you up to speed on the new opportunity at Horizon, and if you’re interested, we’d love to hear from you again!
Pilots with Horizon Air:
· Fly Q400s now and new E175 jets in 2017.
· Upgrade to PIC in less than three years.
· Use leading-edge technology that you won’t find with other regional airlines like the Rockwell Head-up Guidance System.
· May be based in Anchorage, Boise, Medford, Portland, Seattle, or Spokane.
· Fly through some of the most striking and challenging parts of the country.
Plus, if you’re interested and qualified, you’ll be guaranteed an interview with Alaska Airlines.
There’s a lot of great reasons to fly with Horizon and we’d be happy to share more. Check out the job posting and apply today! Horizon Air Jobs - Pilot for Horizon Air in Portland, Oregon, United States
If you or someone you know would consider working for us, we hope to see your application soon.
Very best,
Pilot Recruitment Team
Horizon Air and Alaska Airlines
04-13-2016, 09:04 PM
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It didn't last long...
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Also lets break this down:
· Fly Q400s now and new E175 jets in 2017. FALSE. 4 year seat lock on Q400
· Upgrade to PIC in less than three years. If you were hired 3 years ago!
· Use leading-edge technology that you won’t find with other regional airlines like the Rockwell Head-up Guidance System. Only if you're a Captain, as an FO you will stare at clouds in front of you. Jets will not have a hud.
· May be based in Anchorage, Boise, Medford, Portland, Seattle, or Spokane. One year of reserve in any of these
· Fly through some of the most striking and challenging parts of the country. With the worst overnight hotels imaginable
Plus, if you’re interested and qualified, you’ll be guaranteed an interview with Alaska Airlines. I shouldn't have to say anything about this. Define "qualified". Everything that comes out of Alaska's mouth is a lie anyway.
Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet
Also lets break this down:
· Fly Q400s now and new E175 jets in 2017. FALSE. 4 year seat lock on Q400
· Upgrade to PIC in less than three years. If you were hired 3 years ago!
· Use leading-edge technology that you won’t find with other regional airlines like the Rockwell Head-up Guidance System. Only if you're a Captain, as an FO you will stare at clouds in front of you. Jets will not have a hud.
· May be based in Anchorage, Boise, Medford, Portland, Seattle, or Spokane. One year of reserve in any of these
· Fly through some of the most striking and challenging parts of the country. With the worst overnight hotels imaginable
Plus, if you’re interested and qualified, you’ll be guaranteed an interview with Alaska Airlines. I shouldn't have to say anything about this. Define "qualified". Everything that comes out of Alaska's mouth is a lie anyway.
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