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Old 02-23-2007, 06:06 AM
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ey guys anyone know if horizon will hire pillots soon,

how many,

may be some one working overthere, can tell us rumors?
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Originally Posted by Ak Pilot View Post
ey guys anyone know if horizon will hire pillots soon,

how many,

may be some one working overthere, can tell us rumors?
ey there... May be some one would respond to you if they could under stand what you we re w rittttin g.
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Old 02-23-2007, 07:57 AM
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ey guys anyone know if horizon will hire pillots soon,

how many,

may be some one working overthere, can tell us rumors?
My guess is that they will not hire many for a long time. They lost the Frontier contract and have to absorb those planes back into the main company and they are replacing the older Dash 200's with 400's and that means more capacity, less flights, fewer pilots needed.

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My guess is that they will not hire many for a long time. They lost the Frontier contract and have to absorb those planes back into the main company and they are replacing the older Dash 200's with 400's and that means more capacity, less flights, fewer pilots needed.

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Frontier could not afford us, We already have the routes for those planes and are looking to hire in the summer. We are loosing a group of guys to Alaska, FedEx, Continental, and Southwest. We are short, We pay well and it is a great place to work. Don't mind SkyHigh, he quit here when the going got tough and has no idea what it is like now.
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Frontier could not afford us, We already have the routes for those planes and are looking to hire in the summer. We are loosing a group of guys to Alaska, FedEx, Continental, and Southwest. We are short, We pay well and it is a great place to work. Don't mind SkyHigh, he quit here when the going got tough and has no idea what it is like now.

Just out of curiosity what is the upgrade time looking like?

I'm not planning on going any where as I'm less than a year away from upgrade here, but I do have friends that live in that neck of the woods that would rather not commute if they can get in with a good company there.
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Uprgrade is currently just under 6 yrs, but rumors from mgmnt. are that it will come down soon. They give the impression that more than just attrition will be involved. But they are very often full of ****, too. Though not as much as SkyCry.

PS We have newhires in training right now...so we HAVE been hiring. They are not all UND direct, either. One is ex-Mesa, and the others are a mix of UND and other flight instructing.

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8 new hires for April, only transition training through June due to the Q2 leaving... That's as far as is projected right now.
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How strict are they on the 100 multi? If a lot of it is SIC 135 piston would that be unfavorable?
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Old 02-25-2007, 06:36 AM
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Bad Guess,
Frontier could not afford us, We already have the routes for those planes and are looking to hire in the summer. We are loosing a group of guys to Alaska, FedEx, Continental, and Southwest. We are short, We pay well and it is a great place to work. Don't mind SkyHigh, he quit here when the going got tough and has no idea what it is like now.
Dream on. Most likely you will be starting to grey before reaching the left seat, and just wait management will drag out negotiations for another decade and your pay raise will become a pay cut soon enough. I am glad to hear that you are happy with the job though.

A benefit to getting hired young at a regional is that you don't realize how good others have it since you have nothing to compare it to. It was disappointing for me to live in poverty in my late 20's while my college buddies were buying houses and getting married.

The bottom line is that Horizon Air is a fairly good place to work now and that is exactly why you should not go there. Upgrade will continue to be long and drawn out. Even after reaching the left seat it can take more than a year to get a line. If you stop to consider that it takes 6 to 7 years to upgrade and then two to three years to get 1000 hours PIC you could be looking at almost a decade before reaching a point where you can apply to a major. At the same time your peers at other regionals are accepting command in an RJ while still young enough to benefit from it. The Horizon captain only has turbine time to show for his troubles and turbine PIC time increasingly has been loosing value over RJ PIC time.

The end result is that Horizon Air will be a career for most of you. I hope you enjoy it there. As for myself had I stayed I would be reaching 60K after nearly 10 years with the company. Police, fire and UPS delivery guys earn as much or more and don't have to suffer the decade of indentured servitude. It is not hard to best a Horizon Career in the outside world.

PS I still have a lot of friends who work there and am not wearing a pair of rose colored glasses.

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Old 02-25-2007, 08:17 AM
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A bit exaggerated, bro... For leaving so long ago, you are quite an expert when it comes to QX questions.
PS I still have a lot of friends who work there and am not wearing a pair of rose colored glasses.
Friends in the business does not qualify you to be an expert in a dynamically changing business...

For some, it IS a great career. The top half of the seniority has no desire to leave PDX or SEA or commute for the lust of big iron. Your statements assume that guys only want to go to QX for PIC time. That may be the desires of the younger generation, but that is not always true.
As for myself had I stayed I would be reaching 60K after nearly 10 years with the company.
Had you stayed, you would have the choice to bid RJ @ $100k/yr, or Q4 @ $90k/yr. It may not be what you wanted out of your career, but others may be content.
The bottom line is that Horizon Air is a fairly good place to work now and that is exactly why you should not go there. Upgrade will continue to be long and drawn out. Even after reaching the left seat it can take more than a year to get a line.
"You should not go there" is a very powerful statement. That should not be your call to make, but the decision of an applicant based on the current facts.

You are right, it is a fairly good place to work, if that is what you are looking for.

I don't deny that right now upgrades are at 6 years. It is cyclical. The business is dynamically changing. Every time we've gone through growth, or fleet changes, the upgrade time is significantly impacted one way or the other. In 1997, nobody was hired due to the phase out of the D328 and Metro. Thus upgrade time went to 5-7 years in the late 90's. In 99-2000, we traded in 1 Dash 8 100 for every 2 Q200's, and acquired 14 F28's. That growth combined with massive hiring at the majors brought upgrades in 2000-2002 to 19-24 months... 2002, F28 phase out, 9/11, etc, and we saw furloughs.

Bottom line: Guys looking to apply at QX should know the real facts, not bitter statements made by someone whom hasn't worked there under a Union contract. QX has a unique business model compared to the other 37-76 seat operators in the U.S. There is NO rapid growth mainly because we are not racing to the bottom to win contracts for bankrupt carriers.

So, if you want to be on the fast track to get PIC time in an RJ, QX may not be the place for you. But if you want to live in PDX or SEA and fly a CRJ700, Dash8 Q400, or Dash8 Q200 all over the west coast; make more money than other similar carriers; be home 4-5 nights per week; then QX may be a quality decision for you. AS is now hiring QX FO's with 2000 hours at QX. That will take about 2.5 years and you can skip waiting for the PIC time.

Caveat emptor: The companies in the race to the bottom may go bankrupt, move your domicile, or furlough before you get that elusive PIC time.... I've flown with several FO's recently that have been furloughed twice from other regionals before getting any PIC time. IE: Independence, Comair, Mesaba. They say they came to QX knowing that they've been unlucky, and at least QX is a decent place to work without fear of being furloughed, losing pay to win a contract, or forced to move when United X's their contract.

For every debate out there, someone can find and dwell on the negatives. All this does is create unhappy, negative people... Must be from all that rain out there... I like to be happy. Focus on the positive, and take the bad with the good.... There is no perfect Eden out there, but hopefully you can use facts to find a happy balance.
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