New hire questions
02-21-2018, 05:36 AM
#121
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Originally Posted by ftaba1
I'm interested in this question as well, i.e. Q400 training timeline!
Also, any idea how long till a Q400 FO can get Seattle base (at least for as of now)?
Thanks
Also, any idea how long till a Q400 FO can get Seattle base (at least for as of now)?
Thanks
Seattle is currently our senior base for First Officers in the Q400. Based on my casual inspection of the seniority list, you should be able to get Seattle within about a year. The "junior" FO bases are Medford, Portland, and Boise.
02-21-2018, 08:05 AM
#122
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Finished OE, now what?
Hey y'all, looking for some heads up on how to navigate Open Time. I just got signed off on the Embraer and now I need to start banking time towards consolidation. Not many open trips, so they've got me on all short call reserve. Who do I call to get 12 hr reserve (if that's even possible)? I also wanted to drop a SEA PDX leg so I wouldn't waste twelve hours of my time for a 48 minute flight, but apparently I'm doing it wrong.
Bottom line, who/what is the resource for "Horizon Pilot Scheduling for Dummies"?
Bottom line, who/what is the resource for "Horizon Pilot Scheduling for Dummies"?
02-21-2018, 08:34 AM
#123
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Originally Posted by Btoflyer
Hey y'all, looking for some heads up on how to navigate Open Time. I just got signed off on the Embraer and now I need to start banking time towards consolidation. Not many open trips, so they've got me on all short call reserve. Who do I call to get 12 hr reserve (if that's even possible)? I also wanted to drop a SEA PDX leg so I wouldn't waste twelve hours of my time for a 48 minute flight, but apparently I'm doing it wrong.
Bottom line, who/what is the resource for "Horizon Pilot Scheduling for Dummies"?
Bottom line, who/what is the resource for "Horizon Pilot Scheduling for Dummies"?
02-21-2018, 10:00 AM
#124
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Originally Posted by Btoflyer
Hey y'all, looking for some heads up on how to navigate Open Time. I just got signed off on the Embraer and now I need to start banking time towards consolidation. Not many open trips, so they've got me on all short call reserve. Who do I call to get 12 hr reserve (if that's even possible)? I also wanted to drop a SEA PDX leg so I wouldn't waste twelve hours of my time for a 48 minute flight, but apparently I'm doing it wrong.
Bottom line, who/what is the resource for "Horizon Pilot Scheduling for Dummies"?
Bottom line, who/what is the resource for "Horizon Pilot Scheduling for Dummies"?
02-21-2018, 02:03 PM
#125
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Originally Posted by FlyingOliver
What?? $2k per month.. I calculated the Q at $40 per hour *75 hours min pay is $3000/month +per diems = $3300..
02-22-2018, 12:58 AM
#126
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Originally Posted by FlyingOliver
What?? $2k per month.. I calculated the Q at $40 per hour *75 hours min pay is $3000/month +per diems = $3300..
How much does open time pay on the Q? How much are the bonuses after taxes?
02-22-2018, 04:44 AM
#127
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Position: B777, Right Side or Panda-side. Or Pandacide.
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Upgrade requirements...
Originally Posted by MedSledDriver
I know what you mean. $2,000 a month was a kick in the nuts for me too. It would be a pay cut from flying Learjets only 200 hours a year.
How much does open time pay on the Q? How much are the bonuses after taxes?
How much does open time pay on the Q? How much are the bonuses after taxes?
This is why I keep asking this unanswered question, despite the risk to sanity, certificate, and life. The wages (though markedly improved) are just not sustainable on the right side of the aircraft, so what does the company require to upgrade?
02-22-2018, 06:30 AM
#128
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There are many pilots at Horizon that managed to survive for 10 years or more on FO pay (yes, it's hard). My annual pay as a FO ranged from a low of $18,000 to a high of $60,000. As a senior FO, my annual pay averaged around $50,000.
The company website claims that Year 1 compensation is around $80,000. I'm not sure where they're getting this number. Before taxes and deductions, here's what you can expect:
Pay: $40,000.
Per Diem: $5000
Bonus: $10,000 to $15,000 (plus maybe another $5000 at the completion of Year 1).
Total: $55,000 to $60,000.
Take-home pay: About $35,000 to $40,000.
I'm not sure what the bonus is at present - I heard that the Q400 payout is now $20,000. It's paid in two installments. After deductions, you'll get about $6700 of the $10,000 bonus. If I recall correctly, taxes on the bonus are withheld at the highest tax rate, so you'll get some money back when you file your taxes next year.
Incidentally, the numbers posted above for take-home pay seem about right. If you get a bonus, put it in the bank for an emergency fund or use it to pay down debt.
Other comments:
(1) Open time is paid at the REGULAR pay rate, unless you pick it up at premium pay (150%).
(2) Requirements to upgrade: 1000 hours Part 121. You may get partial credit for some types of Part 135 time or military time. I heard that the company and the FAA were waiving the 1000 hour requirement on a case-by-case basis, but you still need 750 hours Part 121 (or equivalent).
(3) The upgrade time for someone with no prior 121 experience is around 2 to 2.5 years. Use caution: The Q400 is not an easy aircraft to fly. You do not want to risk an accident, incident, or unsuccessful training event in this airplane.
Dash
The company website claims that Year 1 compensation is around $80,000. I'm not sure where they're getting this number. Before taxes and deductions, here's what you can expect:
Pay: $40,000.
Per Diem: $5000
Bonus: $10,000 to $15,000 (plus maybe another $5000 at the completion of Year 1).
Total: $55,000 to $60,000.
Take-home pay: About $35,000 to $40,000.
I'm not sure what the bonus is at present - I heard that the Q400 payout is now $20,000. It's paid in two installments. After deductions, you'll get about $6700 of the $10,000 bonus. If I recall correctly, taxes on the bonus are withheld at the highest tax rate, so you'll get some money back when you file your taxes next year.
Incidentally, the numbers posted above for take-home pay seem about right. If you get a bonus, put it in the bank for an emergency fund or use it to pay down debt.
Other comments:
(1) Open time is paid at the REGULAR pay rate, unless you pick it up at premium pay (150%).
(2) Requirements to upgrade: 1000 hours Part 121. You may get partial credit for some types of Part 135 time or military time. I heard that the company and the FAA were waiving the 1000 hour requirement on a case-by-case basis, but you still need 750 hours Part 121 (or equivalent).
(3) The upgrade time for someone with no prior 121 experience is around 2 to 2.5 years. Use caution: The Q400 is not an easy aircraft to fly. You do not want to risk an accident, incident, or unsuccessful training event in this airplane.
Dash
02-22-2018, 07:05 AM
#129
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Originally Posted by DashAviator
There are many pilots at Horizon that managed to survive for 10 years or more on FO pay (yes, it's hard). My annual pay as a FO ranged from a low of $18,000 to a high of $60,000. As a senior FO, my annual pay averaged around $50,000.
The company website claims that Year 1 compensation is around $80,000. I'm not sure where they're getting this number. Before taxes and deductions, here's what you can expect:
Pay: $40,000.
Per Diem: $5000
Bonus: $10,000 to $15,000 (plus maybe another $5000 at the completion of Year 1).
Total: $55,000 to $60,000.
Take-home pay: About $35,000 to $40,000.
I'm not sure what the bonus is at present - I heard that the Q400 payout is now $20,000. It's paid in two installments. After deductions, you'll get about $6700 of the $10,000 bonus. If I recall correctly, taxes on the bonus are withheld at the highest tax rate, so you'll get some money back when you file your taxes next year.
Incidentally, the numbers posted above for take-home pay seem about right. If you get a bonus, put it in the bank for an emergency fund or use it to pay down debt.
Other comments:
(1) Open time is paid at the REGULAR pay rate, unless you pick it up at premium pay (150%).
(2) Requirements to upgrade: 1000 hours Part 121. You may get partial credit for some types of Part 135 time or military time. I heard that the company and the FAA were waiving the 1000 hour requirement on a case-by-case basis, but you still need 750 hours Part 121 (or equivalent).
(3) The upgrade time for someone with no prior 121 experience is around 2 to 2.5 years. Use caution: The Q400 is not an easy aircraft to fly. You do not want to risk an accident, incident, or unsuccessful training event in this airplane.
Dash
The company website claims that Year 1 compensation is around $80,000. I'm not sure where they're getting this number. Before taxes and deductions, here's what you can expect:
Pay: $40,000.
Per Diem: $5000
Bonus: $10,000 to $15,000 (plus maybe another $5000 at the completion of Year 1).
Total: $55,000 to $60,000.
Take-home pay: About $35,000 to $40,000.
I'm not sure what the bonus is at present - I heard that the Q400 payout is now $20,000. It's paid in two installments. After deductions, you'll get about $6700 of the $10,000 bonus. If I recall correctly, taxes on the bonus are withheld at the highest tax rate, so you'll get some money back when you file your taxes next year.
Incidentally, the numbers posted above for take-home pay seem about right. If you get a bonus, put it in the bank for an emergency fund or use it to pay down debt.
Other comments:
(1) Open time is paid at the REGULAR pay rate, unless you pick it up at premium pay (150%).
(2) Requirements to upgrade: 1000 hours Part 121. You may get partial credit for some types of Part 135 time or military time. I heard that the company and the FAA were waiving the 1000 hour requirement on a case-by-case basis, but you still need 750 hours Part 121 (or equivalent).
(3) The upgrade time for someone with no prior 121 experience is around 2 to 2.5 years. Use caution: The Q400 is not an easy aircraft to fly. You do not want to risk an accident, incident, or unsuccessful training event in this airplane.
Dash
The Q400 bonus is up to $25k depending on experience. The E175 bonus is up to $20k depending on experience.
Regarding the minimums to upgrade. The 1,000 hours SIC is an FAR (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.436). That is not waivable. The 750 hours is a company requirement which the company is relaxing and waiving on a case by case basis for those joining with prior 121 time. We already have Q upgrade awards going to December 2017 hires.
02-22-2018, 07:20 AM
#130
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Posts: 268
Originally Posted by Vanilla
One thing to consider. New hires are paid 16 hours per week at the applicable rate which is slightly less then the min monthly guarantee. This occurs until the beginning of the Bid Period following successful completion of OE.
The Q400 bonus is up to $25k depending on experience. The E175 bonus is up to $20k depending on experience.
Regarding the minimums to upgrade. The 1,000 hours SIC is an FAR (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.436). That is not waivable. The 750 hours is a company requirement which the company is relaxing and waiving on a case by case basis for those joining with prior 121 time. We already have Q upgrade awards going to December 2017 hires.
The Q400 bonus is up to $25k depending on experience. The E175 bonus is up to $20k depending on experience.
Regarding the minimums to upgrade. The 1,000 hours SIC is an FAR (https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.436). That is not waivable. The 750 hours is a company requirement which the company is relaxing and waiving on a case by case basis for those joining with prior 121 time. We already have Q upgrade awards going to December 2017 hires.
Re: "Training" pay: Don't get me started, I get VERY angry when I hear about this. The hour credit should have been much higher, say 20-25 credit hours per week. If I recall correctly, you're on training pay until the END of the month in which you complete OE. Crew Scheduling has shamelessly abused this provision. There's been a bunch of grievances files on this issue, so it may have been changed.
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