ElCaribe

A “real legacy” will still always value PIC time. They haven’t reached that low yet. Regionals will always upgrade for attrition and those with RJ PIC will advance quicker than those with a 320 type and no PIC.

Blip

Maybe I should have said it might make more people stay LONGER.
One year away from upgrade right now doesn't necessarily mean one year until you upgrade.
Could be shorter at the current pace of you're not waiting for a certain base or type. But everything is changing.
Haha ORD commute easier than MFR.

Clcoregon

I heard so many rumors...oh expect 5 dollars increase only...oh I believe fo's in the next years are going to be making 90 per credit otherwise regionals are not going to be competitive or attract/keep anyone..

This is that time in history that we get bombarded by rumors...

Clcoregon

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TyWebb

Excargodog

Except you can be getting A320 PIC time in 3-4 years at a ULCC at $220 an hour or you can be waiting at $52 an hour to get TPIC at $77 - 80 an hour - perhaps in a Q400. Do the math. Or have your accountant do it for you. See which pencils out for the least time and most money, and then decide if the trade off is worth it.

But you really have to ask yourself what is going on when OO guys flying Alaska pax in Alaska livery are being paid more than QX guys. No, your pay isn’t Mesa bad, but it’s sure competition lagging. And it isn’t like Alaska has the sorts of retirements coming up that some of the legacies have as an inducement to hang around waiting. They are looking at 50-60 retirements a year in the next decade or two which out of a pilot group of 2900 is only about 2% per year. And currently they really aren’t looking at much in the way of growth - at least not in the pilot group. More just more seats in the new airplanes as they replace older 73s with MAXs, but you can read about that in the current AS APC threads.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/alaska/

And you know that at least half the new hires at Alaska are going to come from the military or other non-QX sources.

And none of that means you shouldn’t stay with QX, some people are truly tied to the PNW by family ties, spouses job, etc., but you ought to at least crank the numbers and see what it’s costing you and what your realistic career progression options are.

Blip

How much of that $220 per hour pay are you wasting commuting to a transcon base, and giving up premium. Gotta crunch those numbers too. If you add that to your duty time and tafb it sure waters down your pay

Excargodog

Not to $80 an hour it doesn’t. And now that hiring is resumed, people are pretty much getting their base of choice before they are out of OE. that happens when an airline is growing at 15% per year.

And there are a dozen flights a day from SEA to LAS. How many between SEA and MFR (which is, I would grant you, an hour closer) and how reliable is THAT commute? And seriously, how much premium do you think you are getting as a junior CA on reserve at ANY major? And what are your actual prospects to get SEA or PDX rather than LAX, SFO, or ANC, if you do wait around for a slot at Alaska?

But I repeat, there will be people with situations where it makes absolutely good sense to stay somewhere even if the money or future prospects are likely better somewhere else. But you ought to at least make a reasonable attempt to quantify that. Just tossing out things like “wasting commuting to a transcon base and giving up premium” doesn’t do that. Do some research and attach some actual numbers to that and actual probabilities of getting your first choice and it might be more convincing though.

Excargodog

Give up seniority at Alaska for United