Horizon's latest TA
 

Can someone post the latest TA. It seems www.apa1224.org just went awol. I guess they didn't like what they were hearing on the forums.

I posted it but you should just vote NO.

I hope my ballot comes with three boxes: Yes, No and F*CK NO!!!!

So what are they hearing on the IBT forums?

Could care less about the pay rates, I want to know about work rules, min day pay, duty/trip rigs and stuf like that. Anybody know?

We agreed to a new contract in December, the only section the two sides couldn't agree on was pay rates. The company and union were scheduled to go to baseball style arbitration next month. Mgmt. released their proposal in hopes of avoiding the arbitration. Basically, they want us to maintain the current pay rates (which were negotiated in 2001 and will be lower than Colgan in a few years), increase our monthly medical costs, impose more restricitions on our scheduling section and add a "force majeur" clause that will let them amend our agreement in the event of some catastrophe or "new competitive threat".

In exchange we get a guaranteed interview at Alaska, a 3% bonus based on 2013 wages if we remain with the company through that year (which ends up being less than a normal paycheck after taxes) and Captains with more than 12 years who go to AS get a bonus to help transition.

This proposal is just a rotted baby carrot being dangled in our face.

....unless your endgame at QX is to move up to AS....

I could see how this TA would be a slap in the face for QX-4-lifers, but for the guys who wanna get the "H-E-Double Hockey Stick" out of there at some point in their life, it's not a bad deal. I could see this being voted in by the younger pilots...but the majority at QX have been there for 10+ years, and will probably shoot it the F$!# down. Idk, I would think at least SOME of the 40-something CA's who have been there for 15+ years would take the bonus and peace out. Every disgruntled CA I flew with said "I can't afford year 1 pay at AS", well this is your chance. Granted, the bonus isn't much, but at least it's your way to not be stuck at QX for another 15-20 years. JMHO

Bottom line, you guys deserve BOTH the AS hiring agreement and at least a Cost of Living Adjustment to your pay rates. If that doesn't work, at least with this TA you'd have a way out.

Could the "Force Majeur" clause allow AS to farm out more flying to SKYW?

The problem is it isn't a guaranteed position at AS, only an interview. I might consider this if it were a flow through, but the other issue is this is only supposed to be about pay rates and now the company wants to renogotiate other sections of our contract in this TA as well, all for a guaranteed interview, which guarantees nothing.

As for what defines the force majeur and what the consequences would be, who knows. Just another proposal full of weak and vague language to be interpreted however they choose.

Just another slap in the face from a company that says we're already overpaid, yet our new CEO received $2,768,770.00 last year. How many other airline CEO's make that much? FUPM!

I thought we already had a letter regarding hiring from QX.

Alaska can terminate the interviews at any time which would allow the Union to take pay to baseball style arbitration. Is the company that worried about arbitration or are they confident we would fall for it. Talk about having your cake and eating it too.

Lets vote this one down 100%!

Oh man,, that made me laugh.

Definitely a NO vote here.

I am thinking about how to check the third option. Perhaps take the ballot to the bathroom first. But then it probably wouldn't be counted.

Thats how I thought you guys would vote with the original TA. But the pilot group at QX didn't fail to eat the rotted baby carrot on that one so i wont hold my breath...

http://chanarchive.org/content/53_s/...7854892252.jpg

See: Airline CEO Compensation

Note that no other regional CEO's are listed. But I would venture to guess that most of those guys are pulling down at least 2.7M a year.

Come on, who wouldn't want to eat it.

http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/...opprogress.jpg

QX & AS have been doing this since the beginning. I started with QX in the year of the AS buyout. It was always my ambition to move on to AS eventually, but after 12 years, flying as F28 CA and applying repeatedly, could never even get an interview. So I moved up by departing AAG.

Shortly after the buyout we had an ALPA drive and vote. The AS pilot group promised 'maybe' a joint MEC. It was clear that the AS group viewed QX as second-class citizens and would guarantee nothing. Just the slightest change in attitude from the AS group would have tipped the scales and QX would be ALPA today (not saying that would or would not be a good thing).

Despite the movement of many QX pilots/managers to AS over the years, a corporate philosophy of a 'wall of separation' between the pilot groups seems to have remained intact. Speaking from a historical perspective, I would say that anything short of a guaranteed position at AS has no value for the average QX pilot.

Note that no other regional CEO's are listed. But I would venture to guess that most of those guys are pulling down at least 2.7M a year.
Our airline is pretty small, 600 pilots and 48 airplanes. His salary was higher than the CEO's of US Airways, Airtran, Hawaiian, Southwest and JetBlue. GJ has said we need to reduce the pilot salaries to be more in line with the market average. My point is his salary seems to be quite above the market average for airline CEO's.

"Thats how I thought you guys would vote with the original TA. But the pilot group at QX didn't fail to eat the rotted baby carrot on that one so i wont hold my breath..."
I know a lot of our pilots changed their mind before the vote on the original TA,
I did and voted yes. But there were gains in that TA, there are none in this one. Already sent in my NO vote.

It would make me very pleased to be proven wrong on this one. Seriously.

What's a captain worth.......
 

I thought you guys might be interested to find out what a Q400 Captain is worth in the world market.
https://tbe.taleo.net/NA7/ats/career...S&cws=2&rid=16

Equipment Dash 8 Q-400
Base Osaka, Japan
Term 42 Months (Rated), 45 Months (Non-rated)
Training Estimated duration 5-7 months in Tokyo, Japan
Ground Training, Written Examinations, Simulator Training etc.
Accommodations provided by the company and US$45/night per diem
Compensation During Training Period
Captain US$5,327/mo
Operations Period
Captain US$6,734/mo
Living Allowance US$2,000.00/mo
Commuting Assistance US$1,000.00 or up to 7 round trip (Y Class) tickets to your home each year.
Layover Per Diem $30/night

Additional compensation Q400 Type Rated Captain $5000/YR.
Contract Completion Bonus
42 Months (Rated) $12,600
45 Months (Non-rated) $13,500
Vacation 24 days per year allocated in 2 equal periods as outlined in pilot's contract.
Insurance International Medical Insurance through Aetna Global for the Crew and the eligible dependents. HCF and Overseas Insurance for Australian Citizens.
Sick Leave Accrue 1 day per 2 full months for a maximum accrual of 12 days.
Retirement Voluntary 401K plan.
Work Schedule Expect 5 weeks duty in Japan (includes a minimum of 5 days free duty), then 12 consecutive days off. 70 hour guaranteed per month, max 100 hours in 30 days. Premium rates applied for hours in excess of 70 hours.
Travel Benefits Reduced travel rates available for Crew on Star Alliance carriers and on All Nippon Airways.
Life Insurance Basic Life Insurance