What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
02-02-2017, 05:57 PM
#1161
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: "Hey Dumb Dumb"
Posts: 109
Originally Posted by GUFN
A fellow once told me that "It's better to want something that you don't have, than to have something you don't want". He was referring to his spouse, but I have since learned it also applies to pickup trucks, dogs and JOBS.
People learn from experience and a bad experience is a great "educator".
People learn from experience and a bad experience is a great "educator".
02-02-2017, 07:38 PM
#1162
Respek
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,603
Originally Posted by Freelindy
What if your friend had to give back the 10grand he is talking at all the current pilots expense. Would he stay? Maybe there will be a picket line he can cross someday.
02-03-2017, 02:37 PM
#1164
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 1
Based on those findings, the Court concludes:
1. Horizon has unilaterally changed the rates of pay, rules, and working conditions of pilots
represented by the Union and thus violated its status quo obligations under 45 U.S.C. § 156.
2. Horizon has engaged in bad faith, surface bargaining by going through the motions of
bargaining without any desire to reach agreement. In so doing, it has failed to exert every
reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements and, thus, violated 45 U.S.C. § 152, First.
3. Horizon has dealt directly with newly hired pilots, bypassing their Union representative.
Doing so violates 45 U.S.C. §§ 152, Third and Fourth.
The Court accordingly ORDERS Horizon, its officers, agents, and representatives SHALL:
1. Restore the lawful status quo, embodied in the 2012 and 2016 CBAs, and prevailing prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of new hire bonuses in January 2017 and prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of tuition reimbursement in or about September 2017;
2. Cease and desist from violating the terms of the 2012 CBA and the prevailing, established
practices regarding training programs and compensation;
3. Adhere to the terms of the 2012 CBA—and, upon its effective date, the 2016 CBA—and
status quo working conditions unless and until those terms are altered with the Union’s
consent through Section 6 bargaining;
4. Refrain from interfering with, influencing, coercing, or discriminating against the Horizon
pilots represented by the Union;
5. Exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements with the Union, including as
to training programs and compensation, through the lawful procedures set forth in Section 6
of the RLA;
6. Conspicuously post copies of this Court’s order at Defendant Horizon’s headquarters, crew
room locations, and flight operations facilities for a period no less than one-hundred eighty
(180) days;
7. Provide a copy of this Court’s order to every Horizon pilot covered under the 2013 CBA, by
email and certified mail at their most current addresses of record, to ameliorate the effects of
Defendant Horizon’s unlawful conduct on these pilots’ rights under the RLA.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
1. Horizon has unilaterally changed the rates of pay, rules, and working conditions of pilots
represented by the Union and thus violated its status quo obligations under 45 U.S.C. § 156.
2. Horizon has engaged in bad faith, surface bargaining by going through the motions of
bargaining without any desire to reach agreement. In so doing, it has failed to exert every
reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements and, thus, violated 45 U.S.C. § 152, First.
3. Horizon has dealt directly with newly hired pilots, bypassing their Union representative.
Doing so violates 45 U.S.C. §§ 152, Third and Fourth.
The Court accordingly ORDERS Horizon, its officers, agents, and representatives SHALL:
1. Restore the lawful status quo, embodied in the 2012 and 2016 CBAs, and prevailing prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of new hire bonuses in January 2017 and prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of tuition reimbursement in or about September 2017;
2. Cease and desist from violating the terms of the 2012 CBA and the prevailing, established
practices regarding training programs and compensation;
3. Adhere to the terms of the 2012 CBA—and, upon its effective date, the 2016 CBA—and
status quo working conditions unless and until those terms are altered with the Union’s
consent through Section 6 bargaining;
4. Refrain from interfering with, influencing, coercing, or discriminating against the Horizon
pilots represented by the Union;
5. Exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements with the Union, including as
to training programs and compensation, through the lawful procedures set forth in Section 6
of the RLA;
6. Conspicuously post copies of this Court’s order at Defendant Horizon’s headquarters, crew
room locations, and flight operations facilities for a period no less than one-hundred eighty
(180) days;
7. Provide a copy of this Court’s order to every Horizon pilot covered under the 2013 CBA, by
email and certified mail at their most current addresses of record, to ameliorate the effects of
Defendant Horizon’s unlawful conduct on these pilots’ rights under the RLA.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
02-03-2017, 02:40 PM
#1165
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,480
Originally Posted by ChillBlend
Based on those findings, the Court concludes:
1. Horizon has unilaterally changed the rates of pay, rules, and working conditions of pilots
represented by the Union and thus violated its status quo obligations under 45 U.S.C. § 156.
2. Horizon has engaged in bad faith, surface bargaining by going through the motions of
bargaining without any desire to reach agreement. In so doing, it has failed to exert every
reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements and, thus, violated 45 U.S.C. § 152, First.
3. Horizon has dealt directly with newly hired pilots, bypassing their Union representative.
Doing so violates 45 U.S.C. §§ 152, Third and Fourth.
The Court accordingly ORDERS Horizon, its officers, agents, and representatives SHALL:
1. Restore the lawful status quo, embodied in the 2012 and 2016 CBAs, and prevailing prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of new hire bonuses in January 2017 and prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of tuition reimbursement in or about September 2017;
2. Cease and desist from violating the terms of the 2012 CBA and the prevailing, established
practices regarding training programs and compensation;
3. Adhere to the terms of the 2012 CBA—and, upon its effective date, the 2016 CBA—and
status quo working conditions unless and until those terms are altered with the Union’s
consent through Section 6 bargaining;
4. Refrain from interfering with, influencing, coercing, or discriminating against the Horizon
pilots represented by the Union;
5. Exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements with the Union, including as
to training programs and compensation, through the lawful procedures set forth in Section 6
of the RLA;
6. Conspicuously post copies of this Court’s order at Defendant Horizon’s headquarters, crew
room locations, and flight operations facilities for a period no less than one-hundred eighty
(180) days;
7. Provide a copy of this Court’s order to every Horizon pilot covered under the 2013 CBA, by
email and certified mail at their most current addresses of record, to ameliorate the effects of
Defendant Horizon’s unlawful conduct on these pilots’ rights under the RLA.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
1. Horizon has unilaterally changed the rates of pay, rules, and working conditions of pilots
represented by the Union and thus violated its status quo obligations under 45 U.S.C. § 156.
2. Horizon has engaged in bad faith, surface bargaining by going through the motions of
bargaining without any desire to reach agreement. In so doing, it has failed to exert every
reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements and, thus, violated 45 U.S.C. § 152, First.
3. Horizon has dealt directly with newly hired pilots, bypassing their Union representative.
Doing so violates 45 U.S.C. §§ 152, Third and Fourth.
The Court accordingly ORDERS Horizon, its officers, agents, and representatives SHALL:
1. Restore the lawful status quo, embodied in the 2012 and 2016 CBAs, and prevailing prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of new hire bonuses in January 2017 and prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of tuition reimbursement in or about September 2017;
2. Cease and desist from violating the terms of the 2012 CBA and the prevailing, established
practices regarding training programs and compensation;
3. Adhere to the terms of the 2012 CBA—and, upon its effective date, the 2016 CBA—and
status quo working conditions unless and until those terms are altered with the Union’s
consent through Section 6 bargaining;
4. Refrain from interfering with, influencing, coercing, or discriminating against the Horizon
pilots represented by the Union;
5. Exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements with the Union, including as
to training programs and compensation, through the lawful procedures set forth in Section 6
of the RLA;
6. Conspicuously post copies of this Court’s order at Defendant Horizon’s headquarters, crew
room locations, and flight operations facilities for a period no less than one-hundred eighty
(180) days;
7. Provide a copy of this Court’s order to every Horizon pilot covered under the 2013 CBA, by
email and certified mail at their most current addresses of record, to ameliorate the effects of
Defendant Horizon’s unlawful conduct on these pilots’ rights under the RLA.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
02-03-2017, 02:46 PM
#1166
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: "Hey Dumb Dumb"
Posts: 109
Originally Posted by ChillBlend
Based on those findings, the Court concludes:
1. Horizon has unilaterally changed the rates of pay, rules, and working conditions of pilots
represented by the Union and thus violated its status quo obligations under 45 U.S.C. § 156.
2. Horizon has engaged in bad faith, surface bargaining by going through the motions of
bargaining without any desire to reach agreement. In so doing, it has failed to exert every
reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements and, thus, violated 45 U.S.C. § 152, First.
3. Horizon has dealt directly with newly hired pilots, bypassing their Union representative.
Doing so violates 45 U.S.C. §§ 152, Third and Fourth.
The Court accordingly ORDERS Horizon, its officers, agents, and representatives SHALL:
1. Restore the lawful status quo, embodied in the 2012 and 2016 CBAs, and prevailing prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of new hire bonuses in January 2017 and prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of tuition reimbursement in or about September 2017;
2. Cease and desist from violating the terms of the 2012 CBA and the prevailing, established
practices regarding training programs and compensation;
3. Adhere to the terms of the 2012 CBA—and, upon its effective date, the 2016 CBA—and
status quo working conditions unless and until those terms are altered with the Union’s
consent through Section 6 bargaining;
4. Refrain from interfering with, influencing, coercing, or discriminating against the Horizon
pilots represented by the Union;
5. Exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements with the Union, including as
to training programs and compensation, through the lawful procedures set forth in Section 6
of the RLA;
6. Conspicuously post copies of this Court’s order at Defendant Horizon’s headquarters, crew
room locations, and flight operations facilities for a period no less than one-hundred eighty
(180) days;
7. Provide a copy of this Court’s order to every Horizon pilot covered under the 2013 CBA, by
email and certified mail at their most current addresses of record, to ameliorate the effects of
Defendant Horizon’s unlawful conduct on these pilots’ rights under the RLA.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
1. Horizon has unilaterally changed the rates of pay, rules, and working conditions of pilots
represented by the Union and thus violated its status quo obligations under 45 U.S.C. § 156.
2. Horizon has engaged in bad faith, surface bargaining by going through the motions of
bargaining without any desire to reach agreement. In so doing, it has failed to exert every
reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements and, thus, violated 45 U.S.C. § 152, First.
3. Horizon has dealt directly with newly hired pilots, bypassing their Union representative.
Doing so violates 45 U.S.C. §§ 152, Third and Fourth.
The Court accordingly ORDERS Horizon, its officers, agents, and representatives SHALL:
1. Restore the lawful status quo, embodied in the 2012 and 2016 CBAs, and prevailing prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of new hire bonuses in January 2017 and prior to
Horizon’s unlawful implementation of tuition reimbursement in or about September 2017;
2. Cease and desist from violating the terms of the 2012 CBA and the prevailing, established
practices regarding training programs and compensation;
3. Adhere to the terms of the 2012 CBA—and, upon its effective date, the 2016 CBA—and
status quo working conditions unless and until those terms are altered with the Union’s
consent through Section 6 bargaining;
4. Refrain from interfering with, influencing, coercing, or discriminating against the Horizon
pilots represented by the Union;
5. Exert every reasonable effort to make and maintain agreements with the Union, including as
to training programs and compensation, through the lawful procedures set forth in Section 6
of the RLA;
6. Conspicuously post copies of this Court’s order at Defendant Horizon’s headquarters, crew
room locations, and flight operations facilities for a period no less than one-hundred eighty
(180) days;
7. Provide a copy of this Court’s order to every Horizon pilot covered under the 2013 CBA, by
email and certified mail at their most current addresses of record, to ameliorate the effects of
Defendant Horizon’s unlawful conduct on these pilots’ rights under the RLA.
IT IS SO ORDERED.
02-03-2017, 03:48 PM
#1168
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: fatigued
Posts: 1,397
Originally Posted by gazoo34
Can you post the source for the above?
02-03-2017, 03:48 PM
#1169
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: fatigued
Posts: 1,397
Originally Posted by Aerotrinamic
so to restore the status quo, does that mean people have to return their tuition reimbursement? many will have already spent (most) of it
02-03-2017, 03:52 PM
#1170
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: "Hey Dumb Dumb"
Posts: 109
Originally Posted by snackysmores
The company will probably deduct it from your paychecks
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