What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
#1881
During the winter months it will be routine to take off into IMC and not break out until you're at minimums on the approach at your destination.
#1882
New Hire
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 4
My point exactly. I don't think flying 60 hours/6 months in a small single engine would be a very good indicator of success in a Q 400. If they want to test for that, put the applicant in the box and see how they do. My initial point was, at a time that they were reportedly canceling flights for lack of FOs, they were raising the standards for applicants. That would be reasonable if there was a high failure rate in training, but I haven't heard of that. Not that I would necessary know about it, just that I haven't' heard about it in the forums. It also assumes that the standard they are using is a good indicator of future success in training/flying, but it doesn't seem to be. Flying VFR in uncontrolled airspace doesn't seem to be a good indicator of success in the IFR/121 environment.
#1883
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2015
Posts: 196
My point exactly. I don't think flying 60 hours/6 months in a small single engine would be a very good indicator of success in a Q 400. If they want to test for that, put the applicant in the box and see how they do. My initial point was, at a time that they were reportedly canceling flights for lack of FOs, they were raising the standards for applicants. That would be reasonable if there was a high failure rate in training, but I haven't heard of that. Not that I would necessary know about it, just that I haven't' heard about it in the forums. It also assumes that the standard they are using is a good indicator of future success in training/flying, but it doesn't seem to be. Flying VFR in uncontrolled airspace doesn't seem to be a good indicator of success in the IFR/121 environment.
Privious pages mention many wash out of initial training.
#1884
My point exactly. I don't think flying 60 hours/6 months in a small single engine would be a very good indicator of success in a Q 400. If they want to test for that, put the applicant in the box and see how they do. My initial point was, at a time that they were reportedly canceling flights for lack of FOs, they were raising the standards for applicants. That would be reasonable if there was a high failure rate in training, but I haven't heard of that. Not that I would necessary know about it, just that I haven't' heard about it in the forums. It also assumes that the standard they are using is a good indicator of future success in training/flying, but it doesn't seem to be. Flying VFR in uncontrolled airspace doesn't seem to be a good indicator of success in the IFR/121 environment.
#1885
To answer your question, yes it will help but not as much as complex time in the IFR enviroment. You would be surprised how many newhires struggle with basics like a 12kt crosswind.
#1886
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 2,476
Yes. Filler.
#1889
What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
New hires beware.
Management hanging schedules and not honoring promises
Talked to two pilots today in SEA done with IOE, flying 90 hours or more and only getting paid for 64 hours
Q400 Horizon is not honoring the new TA 4.2 hour a day guarantee is not being honored by the company
Management hanging schedules and not honoring promises
Talked to two pilots today in SEA done with IOE, flying 90 hours or more and only getting paid for 64 hours
Q400 Horizon is not honoring the new TA 4.2 hour a day guarantee is not being honored by the company
Preface-- I'm a newb and learning the game.
Alright I've read the past 20 pages and I come to an astounding amount of confusion, and I can't seem to understand this.
1) How do you just not get paid for 26 hours? This has to be a misunderstanding on my part because I can't imagine this being let go
2) Clear up this 4.2 mess for me please. Let's say someone is turning four flights a day and logs 3.8... this is saying that the company is supposed to pay 4.2 regardless, correct?
3) initial pay at training. 16hrs a week at $40. I'm just an ERAU guy but my public math tells me $640/week. Even with per diem that's worse than I ever thought.
4) I'd like to verify my acronyms and clarify a few. AS- Alaska Iron, QX-Horizon Iron, AAG- Alaska Air Group, CBA-Collectiv Bargaining Agreement, LOA letter of agreement...and PBS???
Thanks in advance.
EDIT: thread below on hiring gouge info answered a few acronyms for me being IATO codes. And how bitter griever is... I respect it.
Last edited by RemiDenton; 06-27-2017 at 10:14 PM.
#1890
Preface-- I'm a newb and learning the game.
Alright I've read the past 20 pages and I come to an astounding amount of confusion, and I can't seem to understand this.
1) How do you just not get paid for 26 hours? This has to be a misunderstanding on my part because I can't imagine this being let go
2) Clear up this 4.2 mess for me please. Let's say someone is turning four flights a day and logs 3.8... this is saying that the company is supposed to pay 4.2 regardless, correct?
3) initial pay at training. 16hrs a week at $40. I'm just an ERAU guy but my public math tells me $640/week. Even with per diem that's worse than I ever thought.
4) I'd like to verify my acronyms and clarify a few. AS- Alaska Iron, QX-Horizon Iron, AAG- Alaska Air Group, CBA-Collectiv Bargaining Agreement, LOA letter of agreement...and PBS???
Thanks in advance.
Alright I've read the past 20 pages and I come to an astounding amount of confusion, and I can't seem to understand this.
1) How do you just not get paid for 26 hours? This has to be a misunderstanding on my part because I can't imagine this being let go
2) Clear up this 4.2 mess for me please. Let's say someone is turning four flights a day and logs 3.8... this is saying that the company is supposed to pay 4.2 regardless, correct?
3) initial pay at training. 16hrs a week at $40. I'm just an ERAU guy but my public math tells me $640/week. Even with per diem that's worse than I ever thought.
4) I'd like to verify my acronyms and clarify a few. AS- Alaska Iron, QX-Horizon Iron, AAG- Alaska Air Group, CBA-Collectiv Bargaining Agreement, LOA letter of agreement...and PBS???
Thanks in advance.
2. Yes, no matter what we are not supposed to be paid anything less than 4.2 per day of work. The company is flat out not honoring this contract item they agreed to.
3. At least you will get $40/hour vs. $30
4. Correct to all, PBS is Preferential Bidding System aka PURE EVIL if you are junior. Works great if you're senior or above 60% seniority or so.
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