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Old 06-26-2017, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bluefxstc View Post
You really think that 60 hours in the last 6 months flying a C-150 in uncontrolled airspace, from an uncontrolled airport, or flying a student around at an uncontrolled airport, all done VFR, will give me better chance of flying a Q-400 in 121 operations?
If you aren't IFR current or have very little IFR experience it would be an uphill battle.

During the winter months it will be routine to take off into IMC and not break out until you're at minimums on the approach at your destination.
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:40 PM
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If you aren't IFR current or have very little IFR experience it would be an uphill battle.

During the winter months it will be routine to take off into IMC and not break out until you're at minimums on the approach at your destination.
My point exactly. I don't think flying 60 hours/6 months in a small single engine would be a very good indicator of success in a Q 400. If they want to test for that, put the applicant in the box and see how they do. My initial point was, at a time that they were reportedly canceling flights for lack of FOs, they were raising the standards for applicants. That would be reasonable if there was a high failure rate in training, but I haven't heard of that. Not that I would necessary know about it, just that I haven't' heard about it in the forums. It also assumes that the standard they are using is a good indicator of future success in training/flying, but it doesn't seem to be. Flying VFR in uncontrolled airspace doesn't seem to be a good indicator of success in the IFR/121 environment.
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bluefxstc View Post
My point exactly. I don't think flying 60 hours/6 months in a small single engine would be a very good indicator of success in a Q 400. If they want to test for that, put the applicant in the box and see how they do. My initial point was, at a time that they were reportedly canceling flights for lack of FOs, they were raising the standards for applicants. That would be reasonable if there was a high failure rate in training, but I haven't heard of that. Not that I would necessary know about it, just that I haven't' heard about it in the forums. It also assumes that the standard they are using is a good indicator of future success in training/flying, but it doesn't seem to be. Flying VFR in uncontrolled airspace doesn't seem to be a good indicator of success in the IFR/121 environment.

Privious pages mention many wash out of initial training.
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Old 06-26-2017, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bluefxstc View Post
My point exactly. I don't think flying 60 hours/6 months in a small single engine would be a very good indicator of success in a Q 400. If they want to test for that, put the applicant in the box and see how they do. My initial point was, at a time that they were reportedly canceling flights for lack of FOs, they were raising the standards for applicants. That would be reasonable if there was a high failure rate in training, but I haven't heard of that. Not that I would necessary know about it, just that I haven't' heard about it in the forums. It also assumes that the standard they are using is a good indicator of future success in training/flying, but it doesn't seem to be. Flying VFR in uncontrolled airspace doesn't seem to be a good indicator of success in the IFR/121 environment.
We used to evaluate pilots on a Frasca simulator with a basic vectors to an ILS profile but too many people were failing it. Then they switched to a desktop redbird sim (way easier) and people were still failing that. Their logic was "They failed the frasca/redbird, but MAYBE they will make it okay in the sim."
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Originally Posted by bluefxstc View Post
You really think that 60 hours in the last 6 months flying a C-150 in uncontrolled airspace, from an uncontrolled airport, or flying a student around at an uncontrolled airport, all completed day VFR, will give me better chance of flying a Q-400 in 121 operations?
Well do you want to be a professional airline pilot or not? You will need to decide this and when you do then you will do what's necessary to obtain the position.
To answer your question, yes it will help but not as much as complex time in the IFR enviroment. You would be surprised how many newhires struggle with basics like a 12kt crosswind.
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Old 06-27-2017, 05:55 AM
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You really think that 60 hours in the last 6 months flying a C-150 in uncontrolled airspace, from an uncontrolled airport, or flying a student around at an uncontrolled airport, all completed day VFR, will give me better chance of flying a Q-400 in 121 operations?
Yes. Filler.
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I've only been saying stay away for, like months?
If Griever had to do it all over he would go where?!
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If Griever had to do it all over he would go where?!
He definitely would have stayed out of DC.
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Originally Posted by FlyingDreaming View Post
New hires beware.



Management hanging schedules and not honoring promises



Talked to two pilots today in SEA done with IOE, flying 90 hours or more and only getting paid for 64 hours



Q400 Horizon is not honoring the new TA 4.2 hour a day guarantee is not being honored by the company


Preface-- I'm a newb and learning the game.



Alright I've read the past 20 pages and I come to an astounding amount of confusion, and I can't seem to understand this.



1) How do you just not get paid for 26 hours? This has to be a misunderstanding on my part because I can't imagine this being let go

2) Clear up this 4.2 mess for me please. Let's say someone is turning four flights a day and logs 3.8... this is saying that the company is supposed to pay 4.2 regardless, correct?

3) initial pay at training. 16hrs a week at $40. I'm just an ERAU guy but my public math tells me $640/week. Even with per diem that's worse than I ever thought.

4) I'd like to verify my acronyms and clarify a few. AS- Alaska Iron, QX-Horizon Iron, AAG- Alaska Air Group, CBA-Collectiv Bargaining Agreement, LOA letter of agreement...and PBS???



Thanks in advance.

EDIT: thread below on hiring gouge info answered a few acronyms for me being IATO codes. And how bitter griever is... I respect it.

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Originally Posted by RemiDenton View Post
Preface-- I'm a newb and learning the game.

Alright I've read the past 20 pages and I come to an astounding amount of confusion, and I can't seem to understand this.

1) How do you just not get paid for 26 hours? This has to be a misunderstanding on my part because I can't imagine this being let go
2) Clear up this 4.2 mess for me please. Let's say someone is turning four flights a day and logs 3.8... this is saying that the company is supposed to pay 4.2 regardless, correct?
3) initial pay at training. 16hrs a week at $40. I'm just an ERAU guy but my public math tells me $640/week. Even with per diem that's worse than I ever thought.
4) I'd like to verify my acronyms and clarify a few. AS- Alaska Iron, QX-Horizon Iron, AAG- Alaska Air Group, CBA-Collectiv Bargaining Agreement, LOA letter of agreement...and PBS???

Thanks in advance.
1. For some reason our contract states that you will remain on training pay until the end of your IOE bid. So even if you finish IOE in the first week of the bid, you will not get paid more than the training pay. We actually had a new hire do exactly this and he picked up 5 premium pay trips. The company not only refused to pay him premium, they wouldn't pay him at all. He literally will have to work those trips for free for the rest of the month in addition to his built up line. If I was him I would call in sick for every single one of them. It's not like he has any sick time accrued anyway, and the company isn't going to pay him no matter what so he won't lose any money. They wouldn't dare fire him because we would just be short another dash FO.

2. Yes, no matter what we are not supposed to be paid anything less than 4.2 per day of work. The company is flat out not honoring this contract item they agreed to.

3. At least you will get $40/hour vs. $30

4. Correct to all, PBS is Preferential Bidding System aka PURE EVIL if you are junior. Works great if you're senior or above 60% seniority or so.
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