What's happening at Horizon and Jets?
07-24-2017, 06:29 PM
#2001
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Originally Posted by Packrat
I always espoused that. Why? Because:
1. QX pilots are trained to the same standard as AS pilots. Sit on a jumpseat and the departure/approach briefings are mirror images.
2. You know the work ethic of the QX pilot. You have his personnel file.
3. You know how he/she fits in with the corporate culture of your airline group.
But every time I suggested it to someone on the 2nd floor it was scoffed at. "We want to be able to hire people from differing backgrounds." Answer: Then just flow a percentage of the pilots you need from QX. No sale.
Bring it up to QX managers like the Bagwan and his direct response: "I don't want to be the training center for Alaska pilots." In the mean time the QX pilots that wanted to work for AS and would have been perfect fits were bailing out for SWA, UAL, etc.
Angle Lake "thinking" can be very mysterious.
1. QX pilots are trained to the same standard as AS pilots. Sit on a jumpseat and the departure/approach briefings are mirror images.
2. You know the work ethic of the QX pilot. You have his personnel file.
3. You know how he/she fits in with the corporate culture of your airline group.
But every time I suggested it to someone on the 2nd floor it was scoffed at. "We want to be able to hire people from differing backgrounds." Answer: Then just flow a percentage of the pilots you need from QX. No sale.
Bring it up to QX managers like the Bagwan and his direct response: "I don't want to be the training center for Alaska pilots." In the mean time the QX pilots that wanted to work for AS and would have been perfect fits were bailing out for SWA, UAL, etc.
Angle Lake "thinking" can be very mysterious.
07-24-2017, 08:35 PM
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Horizon Air scheduling havoc will continue into the fall.....
Horizon Air scheduling havoc will continue into the fall | The Seattle Times
Horizon Air scheduling havoc will continue into the fall | The Seattle Times
07-24-2017, 11:03 PM
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Horizon already pays more than Skywest, plus Horizon has the 15-20k bonus when starting.
But the Skywest guys basically just voted in a large pay cut (1% per year increase for 4 years of a 5 year agreement which will be an 11% decrease after inflation) in exchange for a vague promise by the company to get more than 100 planes and to do a big chunk of the Alaska flying.
Why would guys go to Skywest for 30k less the first year than Horizon? After that I think Horizon pays 5k a year more.
But the Skywest guys basically just voted in a large pay cut (1% per year increase for 4 years of a 5 year agreement which will be an 11% decrease after inflation) in exchange for a vague promise by the company to get more than 100 planes and to do a big chunk of the Alaska flying.
Why would guys go to Skywest for 30k less the first year than Horizon? After that I think Horizon pays 5k a year more.
07-25-2017, 12:16 AM
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I'm not saying that pay package is great, but money isn't everything ... and people sure don't get paid especially if your sittting on the ground...
That means Horizon cabin staff will have less work, which the company hopes to handle by offering unpaid leave and part-time work to employees who volunteer.
That means Horizon cabin staff will have less work, which the company hopes to handle by offering unpaid leave and part-time work to employees who volunteer.
07-25-2017, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bombardier Stev
Horizon already pays more than Skywest, plus Horizon has the 15-20k bonus when starting.
But the Skywest guys basically just voted in a large pay cut (1% per year increase for 4 years of a 5 year agreement which will be an 11% decrease after inflation) in exchange for a vague promise by the company to get more than 100 planes and to do a big chunk of the Alaska flying.
Why would guys go to Skywest for 30k less the first year than Horizon? After that I think Horizon pays 5k a year more.
But the Skywest guys basically just voted in a large pay cut (1% per year increase for 4 years of a 5 year agreement which will be an 11% decrease after inflation) in exchange for a vague promise by the company to get more than 100 planes and to do a big chunk of the Alaska flying.
Why would guys go to Skywest for 30k less the first year than Horizon? After that I think Horizon pays 5k a year more.
07-25-2017, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonneaux
You, like many people who voted no, are mathematically challenged. Instead of simply dismissing the Pilot Profit Sharing, do the math. It nets out to about an additional 2-3% increase this year and 1-2% in the out years. All together, the new TA represented about an 8% increase in total compensation for me. But forget about pay rates, the real money is in soft time. Thus far this year I have already credited over 1000 hours on just over 500 block. You can't do that bashing out 8 legs a day for 4 hours of block.
07-25-2017, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
He doesn't work at SKYW.
I'm not near 1000 hours of credit, but at a 2:1 credit-to-block ratio year-to-date nonetheless.
07-25-2017, 07:18 AM
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For us mathematically challenged, could you explain the pilot profit sharing and how one would calculate that into the pay calculations. I know there are a lot of special deals at SW for the senior guys and the guys in the SW training department. How many guys actually have the ability to credit 1000 hours in 7 months? If a pilot is sitting reserve what can he do? If a pilot has a 90 line what can he do? And can't the Horizon guys do similar things?
How much of the profit sharing goes to a guy who can only credit 900 to 1000 per year?
And I guess, overall, how come Horizon is in this mess when they seem to pay more? Are they just late in hiring?
How much of the profit sharing goes to a guy who can only credit 900 to 1000 per year?
And I guess, overall, how come Horizon is in this mess when they seem to pay more? Are they just late in hiring?
07-25-2017, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by EngineOut
Yes he does. And his 8% raise numbers are similar to my calculations.
I'm not near 1000 hours of credit, but at a 2:1 credit-to-block ratio year-to-date nonetheless.
I'm not near 1000 hours of credit, but at a 2:1 credit-to-block ratio year-to-date nonetheless.
07-25-2017, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by EngineOut
Yes he does. And his 8% raise numbers are similar to my calculations.
I'm not near 1000 hours of credit, but at a 2:1 credit-to-block ratio year-to-date nonetheless.
I'm not near 1000 hours of credit, but at a 2:1 credit-to-block ratio year-to-date nonetheless.
How does one do the 2:1 credit-to-block? Can everyone do that? I can see a training person get 75 hours of credit not flying and then go fly 65 hours for 75 more credit but can a line guy in DTW?
How do you derive the 8% result?
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